Powers on
Immediately starts shut down
Refuses to close because the following programs are still running
The list is empty
it’s now safe to turn off your computer
“shutdown” is a noun. I was on vacation because the company was in shutdown.
“shut down” is the compound verb you wanted.
I would argue executables can be verbified.
I can
grepa file. Why can’t ishutdown?Because grep isn’t a word? And since when do machines set the tone for human activity? Lights turn on, do you turn on in the morning?
🥴 I would 4 u bb
Grammar checking a wojack meme?
Username checks out.
Username checks out.
must… not… bite…
This boils down to a Linux using a file system which allows files to be deleted or replaced in the inode table while something has the old file open. So it’s easier (although not simple) to replace packages while other stuff is running. Whereas Windows has to shut everything else down so nothing has the file open to replace it and also fix stragglers during the next reboot.
its more to do with the fact that until recently linux distros did not have a desktop pc centered idea on how to do updates. but distros started to support offline updates, so you can install updates in a safer way, while the system is not running.
a major difference is that linux offline updates allows you to just shut down, without taking time with updates.
My phone and Linux PC’s now all do this. Primary partition in use. Updates apply to secondary partition. At next reboot, load the updated partition.
It’s so much better that the alternative, I can’t wait for Windows 14 to adopt it.
only atomic distros do that, and it has its downsides. most distros still only keep a single system partition, but if it does snapshots before update then it’s not a big deal if something goes wrong
script on desktop; shutdown -h now, or hit button
It’s even worse, when I tell my work Windows 11 computer to shut down and I have to choose update and shutdown because it decided to do updates, sometimes it reboots a few times but then it doesn’t turn off afterwards.
I’m never going to install Windows 11 on any of my devices, it’s so bad.
Or my old windows 10 machine would wake itself up in the middle of the night to run updates that the group policy wouldn’t even allow it to download without my permission and then just sit there. If I hadn’t fallen asleep yet, I’d notice the monitor light up the next room and get up swearing at Microsoft until I tracked down where the wakeup timer was set and disabled it. Only to find it re-enabled after some updates.
Fuck Microsoft.
I have a solution for this inside on my work computer. I put it on a Shelly plug. I tell homeassistant to power that on before my shift starts. When I shut down the computer at the end of my shift, the plug sees the drop in current draw and powers off that outlet.
The windows pc doesn’t even get power unless I want it to. It can starve.
It’s fun when your laptop decides to do this kind of nonsense from inside your laptop bag, smothering itself in its own heat.
Makes me wonder how many laptops seemed to randomly get bricked because it tried to update but then ran out of battery in the middle of it but the user just sees that their laptop had no battery left and then won’t boot properly after that, never realizing it decided to update itself.
I bought a new mini PC the other day that shipped with windows 11. Before installing Linux I thought “I’ll just boot into windows to make sure the hardware is all correct”.
I got as far as the windows welcome screen and thought “it’s actually just going to be faster and easier to install Debian instead of going through all this windows bullshit”
I got a new Mini a month ago. Before I even powered it up, I stabbed a USB stick into it, hit escape on boot, and killed that bitch with Kinonite.
There are two things a person needs to do when starting up a fresh new computer: First, you must bathe in the purifying waters of Lake Minnetonka, and never, ever let Windows have even a single chance to live.
Systemd waiting for <random thing> to terminate on shutdown is one of the reasons i’ve ditched it.
I don’t think I’ve ever had that issue. My PC shuts down within a few seconds. What kind of things would refuse to terminate?
Udev i think. Also, that’s a thing Systemd is (more or less) infamous for. Which is, why this joke weirded me out a bit.
a bad configuration, mostly. people love to bash systemd but this is sensible, that it does not outright kill services that aren’t ready for that. if your computer shuts diwn slowly because of that, that is a configuration issue, that either a service or a mount does not stop cleanly.
You could just configure the default timeout.
I solve that by holding my power button, not worth the hassle of ditching systemd for me
“A stop job is running for user manager for UID 1000” is such a pain :D
You can change the default wait from 90 seconds to something like 5 seconds.
/etc/systemd/system.conf.d/system.conf
[Manager] DefaultTimeoutStopSec=2s
Are you guys really using a command to shut down a computer?
Because you can do the same with Windows, but nobody uses it because it is just not convenient to use commands for that.
shutdown /sYeah, you can even throw a /f in there to force close all apps so it will kill everything and go nighty night. I used to use it with /t command if I wanted to download something while I was out but not have the PC run all day.
That’s not the best way to turn your PC off but hell half the time I just murder mine by holding down the power button anyways. As long as you’re not being crazy shutting her down in the middle of some data operations you’ll be fine.
I have an old laptop with a w7 partition for running some old cracked software. It has never seen a shitdown, only battery pulls. Not even the warning of a long press
“please shut down (this is sarcasm)”
I used it when I was watching movies to fall asleep to but did not want to use the battery. You can specify a time with /t before the shutdown occurs.
I always did a
sleep 1h && systemctl suspend
Windows update set my PC back almost 3 years for some unknown reason, lost so much shit. That was my final fuck it this shit moment, I installed Mint last week. A little bit of a learning curve, but I’m enjoying it and not worried about everything getting ruined unless I do something dumb. I can live with my own stupid.
Well, there’s a reason why I shut down my Windows laptop at least 30 minutes before I have to actually leave somewhere.
My biggest annoyance isn’t even Windows as such, but random applications that have auto-updaters that run when the app is closed. “Okay, time to go now.” “NO! I must update this app!! Do not stop this update or hideously evil data corruption will happen!!!” …there’s no excuse for this stuff. Just do it when starting the application.
Rip the power cord out of the wall
I just push the button.
Muhahahahaha.
Okay, sometimes on a whim I’ll do something like a “
sudo shutdown -t 0 now”. (… Muahahaha.)Rarely shutdown my main computers though. Last time, years ago.
Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have, right windows users?
halt 0Don’t the -t 0 and now do the same thing?
I’ve stumbled into various quirks across many systems over the decades, and, iirc, it was actually something like
sudo shutdown -t secs now[(?! wat)] that resulted in reliable shutdown, contrary to all logic and presumed would-be redundancy. But, yeah, you’d think so. I don’t know what the current state of shutdown’s like. That was from like over 15 years ago, back when I had a X60T thinkpad I’d actually shutdown.
You can just type “shutdown now” and it does.
Or just
poweroff, one word not twoHow about
halt
