Fuck reddit. I hope that site dies soon and we can go back to not having everything locked inside a single site.
Hopefully Twitter, Discord, and the entirety of Meta platforms/services goes along with it…would be a beautiful day.
I miss forum signatures. It’s weird, but those were always so fun to me.
I call bullshit. AI didn’t eat their user growth.
They sold out the users, making the experience objectively worse. They turned the screws until many of the positive, helpful users left. They became hyper-toxic; now, no one wants to be there, even for the niche communities. They’re moderating like they’re at war with any half-decent human being, and now they’ve locked down the free/easy access, ruining the one remaining marketing trick they had (google search results)
Honestly I’m done with the moderation more than anything, I got so fed up with the blatant manipulation on one of the subs I’ve frequented for over a decade I wrote a script to see what was going on with all the silent removals and so much was just vanishing. Capture all the comments every minute and diff them, you’ll see what I mean.
Realised the reddit most of us knew was as good as dead then to be honest. Powermods are a cancer and the only chemo is to leave the place altogether.
I have a serious question can I see like the evidence which you were able to gather from the use of this script? Its ok of you dont want to share cause I dont even know what a script is to be honest lol. Because I always try to archive something that these natsees do and this would just be another peice of evidence for me.
To be honest it was only ever a proof of concept, I ran it for a week or so and left it a sqlite database on my laptop. If you wanted to make a statistical case for manipulation you’d want to gather a more substantial dataset together, and you’d also want to label the data using NLP techniques.
I read the writing on the wall when they started clawing back free mobile access.
The first time a ‘free’ platform makes a desperate move, it’s time to relocate. I wiped all my posts and left my accounts open. Then, I went back and wiped them again every time they magically reappeared.
I only left my posts in the sub that helped people understand Fediverse and Lemmy.
I didn’t know they put posts back. I went in and wiped all my stuff around then too but I didn’t look back.
I spent time over several months hand deleting my post one by one, and they don’t show up for me.
But one time after deleting them, someone replied to one of those deleted posts, so I think they’re visible to others, but not to me anymore.
I left all my accounts to this day because I don’t trust them
You want to go more into that? Sounds super interesting, and not all of us have the tech knowledge to do that
So the idea is that you capture everything in the subreddit (posts, comments, votes if they’re not delayed to the point of uselessness) and save it to a database. The API rate limit is low these days but not so low you can’t do this for a moderately sized sub in the space of a minute or so. It’s easy enough to write a script that does this capturing, and after every capture you compare it with the previous one. The difference or ‘diff’ between the two captures is the content which was added and removed between the captures. Take the removed content, subtract those deleted by the user, subtract those openly removed by the mods, and you get the silently removed content minus API errors, reddit’s own anti-spam and so on. This is often quite revealing!
Obviously this is not a perfect method, reddit itself really hates people trying to impose transparency on its platform. It has long falsely reported votes, totals, and all sorts of information while particularly shower-dodging mods will deploy their own bots on top of reddit’s own which can well beat your bot to the punch. This adds error to the process, but you can definitely see trends this way in my opinion.
The damn admins are right wingers, who TF wants to discuss anything under their rule
Insane braindead take
literally the correct take. EVERY single major website , YES INCLUDING THIS ONE , is very much run or funded by right-wingers.
I can actually EASILY prove this. Suppose that I were to suggest that one of the current left-wing groups in existence right now were ’ supposedly correct’ for using tactics that are ‘supposedly not the most peaceful of tactics’ because the members of these groups tend to be the victims of initial, needless, malicious ‘not peaceful tactics’ from right wingers and/or capitalists - so therefore two wrongs make a right…supposedly of course.
How fast do you think I would be banned from twitter, lemmy, youtube, reddit, instagram, fascbook, or any of these other major websites where human to human interaction is common?
Drivel. I lost brain cells reading this
Well, maybe AI can read the site and advertisers can sell their ads to the AI.
Idk. Normies just talk to chatgpt these days. They don’t need to ask reddit
the problem with chatgpt is that it cant answer your complex questions.
Like suppose you have a question related to your cureent relationship with your friend or your lover or an acquaintance of yours or to one of their acquaintances and you and that person are ’ stuck ’ in an awkward situation or misunderstanding that is a one in a trillion situation and has probably only ever happened to you two or to another duo of people in history…what kind of answer could chatgpt give you that would be more specific than a human who can read the situation, compare it to their own past awkward situation and then give you a specific answer as to how they handled a similar scenario ? And lets just say its a situation that you should talk over or resolve between you and that person VERY soon.
I will admit Ive only used chatgpt once so I have no idea how it handles complex scenarios involving actual emotional and sentient humans with each of our own lives, traumas, journeys, destinations, routines, and every other thing that usually comes with being a human.
Am I right or wrong about this? Has chatgpt been able to do such complex analysis and complex suggestions to such situations?
You’d be surprised i guess
They gave their userbase to AI and AI ate it
I love eating userbases. Just like how I eat a couple small rocks every day.
there are only three things I love in this world eating my family and never using punctuations… (and eating userbases)
Well, can’t expect much growth if every major sub is turning into a christo-fascist cesspit, boosted by bad actor AI bots.
i’m here now
Reddits inevitable demise is pending. So many posts are just garbage now. AI slop, rage bait, engagement bait, every comment is some stupid fucking joke, no one is serious anymore, etc. In the science sub you used to get banned for not being serious, now it’s all just one shitty joke after another.
Fuck you spez and your goddamn AI powered moderation, you sniveling motherfucker.
Reddit only gained traction when digg fucked itself. This AI shit may (finally) be the second shoe dropping
Yes absolutely, I was one of those people that left digg for reddit.
Any Lemmy users here? That’s been my primary place to go since they got rid of third party apps.
Never heard of it.
Lemmy? That’s a ban! Ban dungeon! I am reddit mod reeeeee!!
Any what users ?
apparently theres a platform on the fediverse that is very popular with the kids called lemmy, and there are several popular servers running that application. who knew‽
I hear those kids are pretty spy for their 30s
You heard wrong, unfortunately
It’s all but telling that I missed the r in spry. Probably pulled my back in the first half.
Hey now, there are plenty of people who continue to call Millennials “kids.”
None of them are using the term correctly, but still.
Yeah I keep telling them I’m not a goat, but they keep kicking cans at me.
Sir, you’re on Lemmy asking if anyone’s on Lemmy.
Me, some jerk from piefed 👀
That’s just Lemmy fed by pie, you aren’t fooling anyone
So, basically they did all the things their users said would kill the site and it [checks notes] killed the site.
Its still up ~285% from IPO
[Screams internally]
Yea reddit is pretty garbage these days. I recommend any Lemmy instance as a substitute.
I don’t use reddit anymore, but I do miss the more niche communities that we’re actually active.
We need to get better at instance recomendation. There should be a list of good “general purpose” instances as well as more specific recomendations for people with specific intrests. I never know where, exactly, to send people
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ruin Reddit
everyone leaves
Why is our stock down? :(
Block users without an account
Shocked pikachu
Waiting for the lawsuits to claim users leaving is illegal.
Lol
The nail in the coffin for me was the mobile site becoming completely unusable. That pop-up completely disables scrolling and swiping to go back.
Oh wow, so they don’t even have button to hide this pop-up?
Their decision to abruptly remove third party API access is what drove me here. I wiped all my posts shortly after they started offering that stock buy in bullshit. Definitely made the right decision after seeing them become what they are now.
Same but the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was their decision to hide user history and modify the algorithm that made it hard to identify if post is real or astro turfed
I spent 5 years off Reddit and everything then tried to come back like a year ago. I found that even if someone hides their history since Reddit is selling all it’s users out all you had to do was go to a search engine and type “reddit /u/theirusername” and you’d find loads of things.
Eventually I realized instead of spending my time researching assholes so I could comment linking all their posts where they made contradicting claims to be a doctor, historian, velociraptor tamer, gay black woman, transgender Danish leprechaun, 15 years old, 40, and retired so I could point out their bullshit and win at the internet… maybe I’d be happier just going somewhere with a smaller shit pile.
same experience here
FYI you can browse in private mode to get around that
Wow, no kidding. I just tried it out. I’ve just been using it for porn.
Late reply as an FYI, they killed that too now.
My huge comment started as a reply to you on all the dumb shit Reddit’s done to fuck it’s users over lately. Thanks for making an old man want to yell at the cloud. :D
I tried using ublock origin’s element picker to hide it but scrolling is still disabled. Since the api thing I’ve only used Reddit from Google, not logged in, and redirected to old. So with their updates the last few weeks there’s literally no option for me here, I’m simply 100% done with reddit.
Can you ctrl-A ctrl-C in the page?
If you ever need to view something, just put word “safe” in front of reddit.com
Kind of like you can put “cancel” after x in x.com
Putting it here, because there might be need to see some post, but don’t want anyone to create an account.
They made it so you can’t even browse the site without signing up. They’re idiots. Fucking morons.
The last nail in the coffin for that site was when they put Spez in charge. Just some dumbass power-hungry moderator of a jail bait sub thinking he can run a website which acted as a public forum of discussion, information, and entertainment. Pure lunacy.
I remember the personal hate Ellen Pao got back in the day, in hindsight a classic Silicon Valley example of a scapegoat for unpopular decisions senior management were already committed to making. The gendered nature of this was particularly egregious with reddit being well… reddit. Reddit was an ‘old internet’ site trying to pivot into ‘social media’ without massively alienating the older group, they had to make it advertiser-friendly so Pao was set up to make those changes with Spez taking over to put things ‘back on track’ later on, when in reality he was as keen to make reddit into what it is now as any. Why people are still surprised by this I don’t know since reddit was a Y Combinator darling: it’s a business not a commons, and in my view there’s an element of responsibility on the users for not recognising this despite the company’s rhetoric.
Something like reddit is structurally incapable of being the marketplace of ideas it was ostensibly claimed to be. As always the purpose of a system is what it does, any venture capital backed firm ideally goes bust quickly or makes astonishing returns for its investors. Consider the material reality: we already had a marketplace of ideas in the form of decentralised forums, Usenet, IRC, and other protocol-based systems which act much more like a public commons than an enclosed, private estate. Reddit (and things like Discord) are in many ways the modern version of enclosing the commons, and in my opinion so is much recent development of IP legislation.
I’d flatter Lemmy and the fediverse by saying it represents the opposite instinct, to defend the commons rather than enclose it.
I could give them some “growth” by creating another account after getting banned for a reasonable IMO statement (I said Trump was only going to leave if a bunch of people drag him out), but I can’t be bothered.
Lemme guess, they claimed you were “encouraging violence”?
Exactly.
