• Nowtayneicangetinto@thelemmy.club
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      Reddits inevitable demise is pending. So many posts are just garbage now. AI slop, rage bait, engagement bait, every comment is some stupid fucking joke, no one is serious anymore, etc. In the science sub you used to get banned for not being serious, now it’s all just one shitty joke after another.

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    just came to this site after getting banned off reddit… it has some nice features… BUT idk if i understand it correctly or not. i’m on lemmy.zip, if a subreddit on here isn’t bundled with together with my lemmy server will i not see it? will i still be able to interact with it? curious how it works.

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      If you got global banned for no reason from Leddit (“no reason” being “you broke no listed rules”) then you’ll wind up global banned for no reason twice as fast on this amazing alternate website I assure you

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        it seems like half the people here are here from being banned off reddit though.

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          Because Leddit actually requires a bit of effort to return on a new account without it being instabanned which many people don’t understand how to get around, whereas this platform is fundamentally fucked with the ‘instance’ signups and getting banned doesn’t mean squat

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          There’s actually a surprising number of people who still use both. People who feel they’ve been wronged are usually pretty vocal about it. I’m not saying they’re exaggerating or lying or anything either, mind you, just pointing out that’s the way the human mind works. Capital One pissed me off and I told everyone who would listen for like a decade after, but no one really volunteers info about uneventful relationships.

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      All the different lemmys (by default) will show up for all the others. Though some lemmy servers block specific other ones from syncing with their instance. Notably the tanky-heavy lemmy instances tend to get blocked.

      If you go over to hexbear (a lemmy instance), you will hear significantly more people tell you Russia invading their neighbors in wars of conquest is good, actually.

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        interesting. thank you. when i was on reddit i would go to r/debate r/changemyview and subreddits like that where i could have discussions. are there lemmy subreddits for debates cause i’m not really finding any. thanks for the reply. on the plus side, of the two comments i left on lemmy they both got replies, so i was glad it wasn’t like twitter where you leave a comment on a large post and nobody interacts with 99% of your comments there. that’s nice and part of what i liked about reddit. good to know lemmy has people replying to each other here too.

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          Sure, you might be better on Lemmy.world as it’s kinda everything. I believe zip is more tech and stuff.

  • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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    Stock will bounce back. Reddit will not learn, because it knows that it just needs to change its game and enshittify more. It’s too late.

    I still waste some time there, but I come here for discussion. Although Lemmy needs growth and maturity. But it’s still better already.

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      Lemmy was a ghost town last time I visited, it’s actually viable to leave reddit now because discussions are reasonably active. Also you’re way less likely to be talking to an LLM which is nice.

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        How do you know threre are fewer LLM and other bad actors etc. here? What if they specifically focus on making it shitty here to stay in power? Seeing what kind of crap gets posted here… not exactly better. Some unhinged comments/people/communities are also not exactly great, but I guess there really are people like that.

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          LLM slop might be cheap to produce at scale, but why would you bother doing that to influence the 13.3k active users per month on this instance (which is one of the larger ones) when reddit, insta, facebook etc exist? Also Lemmy’s recommendation algorithm doesn’t amplify the spam to potentially millions even if they were here, so it’s not a particularly productive place to be spamming.

          Also reddit probably isn’t deliberately keeping Lemmy down, we’re a small decentralised community of people motivated to do something other than the easiest possible approach. That kind of temperament is both necessary for some portion of society to have and massively prone to creating splitting and drama. Lemmy’s problems I feel are largely of its own making, but it’s way better than it was and personally I think there’s quite a high ceiling on slow, sustainable growth. Reddit are even kind enough to drip-feed a stream of new users to us through their clown show approach to running the place.

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    I got banned permanently for simple giving my opinion to a maga supporter. That should tell you as much. Fuck Reddit

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      I got banned for making a crude joke about Kanye West and being surprised he hadn’t murder/suicided himself and Kim or Taylor yet, it was on topic for the conversation not at random, the reason given was “insighting violence” - for who?? Is Kanye personally reading my comments?? I was a power user with hundreds of thousands of post and comment karma too… their loss imo

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      At least you had a chance to mouth off. I Got banned by a fucking automod glitch and I cant even report it because their ban evasion bot sends you into an automatic ban loop for any account you make.

      Didnt even break any rules, they just rely on AI tools to do what should be human work and here we are.

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    Fuck reddit. I hope that site dies soon and we can go back to not having everything locked inside a single site.

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    Reddit is a shit show… can I say that!?

    I got banned and I see weird posts and replies that is obviously Ai slop.

    My friend and I got shadow banned. We have no idea why!?

    It used to be good… the future is not reddit.

    Ps: I apologize for farting while typing this comment.

    • wallabra (🇧🇷)@lemmy.eco.br
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      They put AI moderators in charge and I have a feeling they’re whittling their own userbase down and that that might be having an effect on their stocks too.

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        Lol if they trained an AI on their own moderators, it’s no surprise that they moderate in an arbitrary kind of way.

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          the problem is that the majority of redditor moderators and admins act in ways that are very arbitrary when it comes to their banning of certain comments ,posts or ideologies . So if the humans doijng the job do the job in borderline nonsensical ways…how would the AI fair in such things?

          The reasom why AI works well in a coffee maker is because its very straight forward to make different caffeinated beverages in straightforward ways. Just follow the recipe as long as you have the ingredients and equipment. Simple.

          But when it comes to humans communicsting ideas? There has never been a perfect recipe for any of it and there probably wont be ever. Sometimes a person is literally a natsee but the way they communicate it is through half-way phrases and dogwhistles and its harder to sniff out if this oerson is being malicious or not and sometimes a person is communicating a great idea

          Let me give you an example of something that I think demonstrates the nonsensicalness of reddit ai modding due to its lack of complex understanding. I was on this one subreddit and we were talking about a crime that broke headline news and some natsees started brigading the post and saying absolutely awful things. I reported and replied to many of the natsee comments. But suddently I got banned from thate subreddit forever and I looked for the reason why… I was banned because my reply to a nat see had the word ‘Black’ in it. …I simply replied to the natsee that ‘I am a Black man’ and Im guessing the AI saw me commenting ‘Black’ and automatically thought I was making a derogatory comment…

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    Well, can’t expect much growth if every major sub is turning into a christo-fascist cesspit, boosted by bad actor AI bots.

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    I call bullshit. AI didn’t eat their user growth.

    They sold out the users, making the experience objectively worse. They turned the screws until many of the positive, helpful users left. They became hyper-toxic; now, no one wants to be there, even for the niche communities. They’re moderating like they’re at war with any half-decent human being, and now they’ve locked down the free/easy access, ruining the one remaining marketing trick they had (google search results)

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        the problem with chatgpt is that it cant answer your complex questions.

        Like suppose you have a question related to your cureent relationship with your friend or your lover or an acquaintance of yours or to one of their acquaintances and you and that person are ’ stuck ’ in an awkward situation or misunderstanding that is a one in a trillion situation and has probably only ever happened to you two or to another duo of people in history…what kind of answer could chatgpt give you that would be more specific than a human who can read the situation, compare it to their own past awkward situation and then give you a specific answer as to how they handled a similar scenario ? And lets just say its a situation that you should talk over or resolve between you and that person VERY soon.

        I will admit Ive only used chatgpt once so I have no idea how it handles complex scenarios involving actual emotional and sentient humans with each of our own lives, traumas, journeys, destinations, routines, and every other thing that usually comes with being a human.

        Am I right or wrong about this? Has chatgpt been able to do such complex analysis and complex suggestions to such situations?

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          literally the correct take. EVERY single major website , YES INCLUDING THIS ONE , is very much run or funded by right-wingers.

          I can actually EASILY prove this. Suppose that I were to suggest that one of the current left-wing groups in existence right now were ’ supposedly correct’ for using tactics that are ‘supposedly not the most peaceful of tactics’ because the members of these groups tend to be the victims of initial, needless, malicious ‘not peaceful tactics’ from right wingers and/or capitalists - so therefore two wrongs make a right…supposedly of course.

          How fast do you think I would be banned from twitter, lemmy, youtube, reddit, instagram, fascbook, or any of these other major websites where human to human interaction is common?

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      Honestly I’m done with the moderation more than anything, I got so fed up with the blatant manipulation on one of the subs I’ve frequented for over a decade I wrote a script to see what was going on with all the silent removals and so much was just vanishing. Capture all the comments every minute and diff them, you’ll see what I mean.

      Realised the reddit most of us knew was as good as dead then to be honest. Powermods are a cancer and the only chemo is to leave the place altogether.

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        I have a serious question can I see like the evidence which you were able to gather from the use of this script? Its ok of you dont want to share cause I dont even know what a script is to be honest lol. Because I always try to archive something that these natsees do and this would just be another peice of evidence for me.

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          To be honest it was only ever a proof of concept, I ran it for a week or so and left it a sqlite database on my laptop. If you wanted to make a statistical case for manipulation you’d want to gather a more substantial dataset together, and you’d also want to label the data using NLP techniques.

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          So the idea is that you capture everything in the subreddit (posts, comments, votes if they’re not delayed to the point of uselessness) and save it to a database. The API rate limit is low these days but not so low you can’t do this for a moderately sized sub in the space of a minute or so. It’s easy enough to write a script that does this capturing, and after every capture you compare it with the previous one. The difference or ‘diff’ between the two captures is the content which was added and removed between the captures. Take the removed content, subtract those deleted by the user, subtract those openly removed by the mods, and you get the silently removed content minus API errors, reddit’s own anti-spam and so on. This is often quite revealing!

          Obviously this is not a perfect method, reddit itself really hates people trying to impose transparency on its platform. It has long falsely reported votes, totals, and all sorts of information while particularly shower-dodging mods will deploy their own bots on top of reddit’s own which can well beat your bot to the punch. This adds error to the process, but you can definitely see trends this way in my opinion.

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        I read the writing on the wall when they started clawing back free mobile access.

        The first time a ‘free’ platform makes a desperate move, it’s time to relocate. I wiped all my posts and left my accounts open. Then, I went back and wiped them again every time they magically reappeared.

        I only left my posts in the sub that helped people understand Fediverse and Lemmy.

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          I didn’t know they put posts back. I went in and wiped all my stuff around then too but I didn’t look back.

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            I spent time over several months hand deleting my post one by one, and they don’t show up for me.

            But one time after deleting them, someone replied to one of those deleted posts, so I think they’re visible to others, but not to me anymore.