All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia. They were all making tons of money from Russia, and vice versa.
The Russian pretext for the invasion has shifted about a dozen times since the war started, and Putin’s little green men were all over the border region stirring up trouble ever since the invasion of Crimea. These are all documented facts too. He gambled he could get away with it without much of a fight, and lost the bet. Fuck around and find out I guess.
It’s also true that there is a well documented percentage of Ukrainians who are literally neonazis, like the Azov brigade. But surely one could reasonably assume the biggest reason Ukrainians hate the Russians nowadays is because Russia invaded their country, not some CIA psyop, or because they’ve been reading Meine Kampf to the kids at night.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia.
In 2000, Vladimir Putin became Russia’s president, while Georgia “experienced” the Rose Revolution in 2003 and moved towards forging closer ties with the United States and NATO. Consequently, Georgia–Russia relations deteriorated rapidly by 2006 and spiralled into a diplomatic crisis by 2008.
In Georgia (2003), the Rose Revolution that removed President Eduard Shevardnadze involved extensive support from NED-funded civil society groups and election monitoring organizations. U.S.-based training organizations, working under NED’s ecosystem, assisted in movement-building strategies, communication, and exit polling operations that delegitimized the incumbent government [3].
I haven’t read the academic sources for the Rose Revolution myself, but the CIA/NED has been doing this shit for decades all around the world.
All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I want to the truth and a diplomatic solution. And ideally those responsible for the regime change, the maidan massacre and the war prosecuted. But I guess all of this history, it never happened.
And … “the revolution was the fault of the CIA and not my own shitty government losing the support of the people” convenient excuse award goes to [drumroll] … you. Congrats, TRWTFOTCANMOSGLTSOTPCEA winner, 2026!
All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia. They were all making tons of money from Russia, and vice versa.
The Russian pretext for the invasion has shifted about a dozen times since the war started, and Putin’s little green men were all over the border region stirring up trouble ever since the invasion of Crimea. These are all documented facts too. He gambled he could get away with it without much of a fight, and lost the bet. Fuck around and find out I guess.
It’s also true that there is a well documented percentage of Ukrainians who are literally neonazis, like the Azov brigade. But surely one could reasonably assume the biggest reason Ukrainians hate the Russians nowadays is because Russia invaded their country, not some CIA psyop, or because they’ve been reading Meine Kampf to the kids at night.
Well the CIA/NED under Obama wanted to “wrest Ukraine from Russia”. You can follow the western sources and the webarchive pages of the NED webpage yourself if you want: Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War
“Fuck around and find out” describes this brinkmanship very well. I mean, who could have known:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
The quotes around “experienced” are mine, because I love that word to describe what happened. Well what did happen? A color revolution at the border of Russia led to civil war. National Endowment for Democracy’s Role in Colour Revolutions and Regime Change
I haven’t read the academic sources for the Rose Revolution myself, but the CIA/NED has been doing this shit for decades all around the world.
I want to the truth and a diplomatic solution. And ideally those responsible for the regime change, the maidan massacre and the war prosecuted. But I guess all of this history, it never happened.
And … “the revolution was the fault of the CIA and not my own shitty government losing the support of the people” convenient excuse award goes to [drumroll] … you. Congrats, TRWTFOTCANMOSGLTSOTPCEA winner, 2026!