I actually agree with you on that. However, “being too prone to using Marxist definitions and terminology” does not warrant labelling them as a “tankie” or “Russian propagandist.”
That’s not what I was asserting, no.
Is there a reason you’re dancing around this instead of explaining what you meant by this? You’re just trolling.
I’m not trolling, I’m stubbornly refusing to hold your hand through English comprehension or logic because I don’t respect you.
But fine, I’ll try to comprehend it for you:
THAT IS NOT THE REASON I LABELED THEM A TANKIE, BUT I DID IN FACT LABEL THEM A TANKIE (FOR OTHER REASONS I EXPLAINED ELSEWHERE OR YOU COULD HAVE COMPREHENDED HAD YOU READ THE THREAD I LINKED).
Is that better? Or do I need a Russian or Korean translator?
Is that better? Or do I need a Russian or Korean translator?
Jesus Christ, try to keep your racism in check.
I’m stubbornly refusing to hold your hand through English comprehension or logic because I don’t respect you.
Well then, I guess this is the conversational path you wanted, where we yell at each other over easily resolved misunderstandings because you decided to be a dick. Entirely your choice, not mine.
THAT IS NOT THE REASON I LABELED THEM A TANKIE, BUT I DID IN FACT LABEL THEM A TANKIE (FOR OTHER REASONS I EXPLAINED ELSEWHERE
Yeah, hey, and what were those reasons you explained in the linked thread? Let’s check:
The problem we’re discussing is that tankies employ definitions gymnastics
Oh hey, what do you know? You’re labelling them a tankie because they’re too prone to using Marxist definitions!
Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
Well then, I guess this is the conversational path you wanted, where we yell at each other over easily resolved misunderstandings because you decided to be a dick. Entirely your choice, not mine.
Oh you surely started the douchey behavior. I definitely joined you in the mud, though.
Yeah, hey, and what were those reasons you explained in the linked thread? Let’s check:
The problem we’re discussing is that tankies employ definitions gymnastics
Oh hey, what do you know? You’re labelling them a tankie because they’re too prone to using Marxist definitions!
Not all Marxist definitions are mental gymnastics to defend imperialists, no. Until today I thought none of them were, but I haven’t read everything he wrote so you could be right about some of them.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages; that’s just linguistics and how human brains work. I’ll never be as good at my second languages as I am at English, for example. It’s not racist against my race if I or someone else says that. See how that works?
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist. I sincerely doubt Marx would’ve thought Russia in 2026 is not imperialist. In fact, I don’t even think that person was using a Marxist definition of the term. From marxist.com:
Feel free to cite Marx’s actual words on the topic if you want, as I found that harder to find.
Regardless, “opposing imperialist states” is not the definition of a non-imperialist state, as that person asserted. Nor is “invading for irredentism (and taking and profiting off of the invaded country’s resources).”
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages;
It is incredibly racist to start accusing someone of being a foreigner any time there’s a miscommunication. And to be clear, this miscommunication is entirely on you, having admitted that you refused to clarify on the basis of “I don’t respect you.” English is my first language, and I am a white American.
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
There is absolutely no grasping at straws here. Imagine someone went up to order coffee and the barista mixed up their order, and they immediately started accusing them of being a foreigner, demanding to know if they “needed a translator” to get the order right. That person would very clearly and obviously be a racist, just like you. Maybe you’re just too used to dismissing accusations of racism as “tankie nonsense” to see it, but it doesn’t stop being racist just because you add a political context.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist.
And you decided to go all in on the distinction between “Using a Marxist definition” and “using a definition that may be Marxist but I’m not sure and also I assumed they were using it in bad faith?”
Let’s be clear. That is the miscommunication you refused to clarify. That is what caused you to go full racist and accuse me of being an illiterate foreigner, because I didn’t read your mind to discover this razor-thin distinction.
You could have simply said that you didn’t think it was a Marxist definition. But you do all this fucking bullshit, for literally no point but to air your racism and your total disrespect for anyone who disagrees with you on literally any point, who you will label as “tankie.”
Obviously, in addition to all this horrendously bad faith behavior, you’re also wrong on the actual point. The definition you cited is in line with my previous description of the Marxist definition pertaining to resource extraction, especially on a global scale.
How on God’s green earth could that possibly be a strawman?
Hint:
Point out the comment where I said I didn’t label them a tankie.
Is there a reason you’re dancing around this instead of explaining what you meant by this? You’re just trolling.
I’m not trolling, I’m stubbornly refusing to hold your hand through English comprehension or logic because I don’t respect you.
But fine, I’ll try to comprehend it for you:
THAT IS NOT THE REASON I LABELED THEM A TANKIE, BUT I DID IN FACT LABEL THEM A TANKIE (FOR OTHER REASONS I EXPLAINED ELSEWHERE OR YOU COULD HAVE COMPREHENDED HAD YOU READ THE THREAD I LINKED).
Is that better? Or do I need a Russian or Korean translator?
Jesus Christ, try to keep your racism in check.
Well then, I guess this is the conversational path you wanted, where we yell at each other over easily resolved misunderstandings because you decided to be a dick. Entirely your choice, not mine.
Yeah, hey, and what were those reasons you explained in the linked thread? Let’s check:
Oh hey, what do you know? You’re labelling them a tankie because they’re too prone to using Marxist definitions!
Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
Oh you surely started the douchey behavior. I definitely joined you in the mud, though.
Not all Marxist definitions are mental gymnastics to defend imperialists, no. Until today I thought none of them were, but I haven’t read everything he wrote so you could be right about some of them.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages; that’s just linguistics and how human brains work. I’ll never be as good at my second languages as I am at English, for example. It’s not racist against my race if I or someone else says that. See how that works?
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist. I sincerely doubt Marx would’ve thought Russia in 2026 is not imperialist. In fact, I don’t even think that person was using a Marxist definition of the term. From marxist.com:
Feel free to cite Marx’s actual words on the topic if you want, as I found that harder to find.
Regardless, “opposing imperialist states” is not the definition of a non-imperialist state, as that person asserted. Nor is “invading for irredentism (and taking and profiting off of the invaded country’s resources).”
It is incredibly racist to start accusing someone of being a foreigner any time there’s a miscommunication. And to be clear, this miscommunication is entirely on you, having admitted that you refused to clarify on the basis of “I don’t respect you.” English is my first language, and I am a white American.
There is absolutely no grasping at straws here. Imagine someone went up to order coffee and the barista mixed up their order, and they immediately started accusing them of being a foreigner, demanding to know if they “needed a translator” to get the order right. That person would very clearly and obviously be a racist, just like you. Maybe you’re just too used to dismissing accusations of racism as “tankie nonsense” to see it, but it doesn’t stop being racist just because you add a political context.
And you decided to go all in on the distinction between “Using a Marxist definition” and “using a definition that may be Marxist but I’m not sure and also I assumed they were using it in bad faith?”
Let’s be clear. That is the miscommunication you refused to clarify. That is what caused you to go full racist and accuse me of being an illiterate foreigner, because I didn’t read your mind to discover this razor-thin distinction.
You could have simply said that you didn’t think it was a Marxist definition. But you do all this fucking bullshit, for literally no point but to air your racism and your total disrespect for anyone who disagrees with you on literally any point, who you will label as “tankie.”
Obviously, in addition to all this horrendously bad faith behavior, you’re also wrong on the actual point. The definition you cited is in line with my previous description of the Marxist definition pertaining to resource extraction, especially on a global scale.