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Been getting along just fine without thank you very much.
I love shit like this.
Like. I work for a landscaping company. There is zero application of AI/LLMs/whatever to any aspect of my work. None of that shit is going to help me move piles of dirt, or plant saplings.
I don’t use any of it now, so…it’d be pretty easy, actually.
I spent most of yesterday correcting someone’s AI transcribed copy of our surplus sheet because it was so wrong
LLMs are explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion spinsters, which is why all the logos for ‘AI’ companies are variations of arseholes.
Oh no, to go back to the prehistoric time of 2021…
Has it’s ups and downs honestly, it helps me automate some annoying tasks, but yes it’s expendable, people seem to forget that’s at the end of the day it’s just an another tool.
Ah, yes. Just another tool that is in the hands of people who don’t want to pay humans. Who are stealing art and novels from actual people for “training” purposes. A tool that is chewing up natural resources and straining power grids. It is a weapon being used by those in power to destroy human creation. Not a tool.
I honestly somehow forgot America and isnotReal exist.
for context I have always only used Chinese open source models and yes I got your point there, it’s a valid point.
Let the bubble burst because of the Us Ai is more harm than good to the world, I’m not even that reliant on it.
Did you completely forget about local models?
Yeah, someone can run a local model and then train or fine-tune it with other people’s work, then make it spit a sloppy collage of all it and say is something new and that they did it so it’s of their property.
You don’t train nor fine tune local models, there’s no need. And for me they’re just helping write regular expressions most of the time.
You can actually fine-tune or even train or re-train local models.
Not everyone is doing that but a everyday bigger amount of people is doing so. And whoever that do that is because they want a a model tailored to their needs, that may be too hiperspecific.
Most of these AI-bros do use local AI so they don’t have to pay for it. And in the same line, if they’re “AI ‘artists’” (although the correct name would be AI-sloppers), they’re gonna train or fine tune these models with whatever they want to, without any permission, then they’re gonna sell the resultant collages (literally, collages) on internet while robbing other artists work.
I have suffered that (I’m music producer and I have listened to plenty of literal fragments of music I have manually produced inside and output of some “AI ‘musicians’”, and the worst part is those songs were WIPs I showed to some friends in a private group in Discord). My best friend too (he’s drawer and, again, he has seen literal fragments of his drawings, but also of drawings from artists he follows, and again, these drawings were only shared in a private group).
Can you link me to local fine tuning or retraining? I’d love to lean a new technique
Analogy is a little weak, because so much of modern AI has been shoehorned in after obliterating the more traditional routes for internet information lookups.
If the traditional search engines have had their results irrepairably ruined by SEO and advertising? If you’re locked out of Wikipedia, because it’s been blacklisted for Wokeness? If StackExchange and Reddit have gone to shit because of all the spam? If you can’t use Discord from your company/school intranet? If your coworkers are all new hires, because your boss fired all the old-heads for demanding real living wages, and now you’re surrounded by a bunch of college grads with no experience in the company systems?
Then yeah, I guess AI is what you’re left with.
Who’s really blocking Wikipedia though? Is that real?
If my work environment was like that I’d be spending my workdays applying to other jobs as soon as I realized they live in the fictional trump cult version of “reality” meanwhile retaining evidence of their workplace political malfeasance to report if possible.
Who’s really blocking Wikipedia though? Is that real?
YMMV. I’ve been on intranets that keep a whitelist and block everything else. And since Wikipedia wasn’t whitelisted, it was blocked by default.
If my work environment was like that I’d be spending my workdays applying to other jobs as soon as I realized they live in the fictional trump cult version of “reality” meanwhile retaining evidence of their workplace political malfeasance to report if possible.
If you’re a consultant, you’re going to be working inside other people’s networks. And those networks are going to have their own rules.
I guess nobody did any work a few years back when AI wasn’t being shoved down our throats. Also imagine being a carpenter or an electrician and being asked if you can get through your entire workday without AI. That guy is such an idiot is makes my head hurt.
Seriously - the AI bubble is very recent. Pretending like no one can possibly remember how they functioned before AI was being used everywhere is asinine.
He’s telling on himself. He doesn’t actually know how to do anything and he never did. He’s terrified of losing a.i. because there’s nothing for him to go back to
These addicts can’t remember how to function without LLMs. They’ve destroyed their brains.
I can’t exactly remember the one time I used AI (probably two years ago or of curiosity) I can remember the last time I worked without AI (every day since then).
Your second point was where my mind immediately went. I have never used AI at work and have no way to use AI at work even if I wanted to, because I don’t use a computer for work. Even if I was a massive AI supporter, I’d still see exactly zero difference at work.
Exactly. I’m a professional, but I use AI in my work now. It makes things easier and faster (by digging though logs for 24 hours and whatnot), but I did that before.
Sure I’d be able to do my job just the same, but getting paged at 2am, I’d have to spend 45 mins figuring out what to do (clicking links, waiting for page loads, parsing 2000 log lines, etc) while AI does it in just 5-10mins. I get to focus on my actual work instead of the bullshit oncall alarms.
I hate the environmental impact, but those that know how to use it and program it are actually benefiting from it.
The environmental impact can be discussed. Maybe training Kimi 2.7 is like sending a rocket to the moon. But using it locally can be optimized and then is as much as running your GPU. Arguably the impact is similar to gaming then.
(I know this is an unpopular opinion because it reads as defending oligarchs. Sorry!)
Seriously. What were these people doing like two years ago and what are they doing now that is different? Everyone in my office that uses a lo of AI is just doing it because they are lazy and don’t care that their work product is shit because it was shit anyway.
Yep, no problem.
I get that people are afraid of change, which some countries do a bad job at protecting people from. That’s a separate (political) issue. I’m personally not a fan of how the U.S. handles such transformations. However, that aside, wouldn’t it be cool if we could do more ambitious things and have better quality of life?
For example, embodied AI will be able to take over household chores. It can already do very basic programming chores (babysit this, wait for that and kick this off if it works or try that if not) that don’t make sense to automate with a shell script.
this dude is literally this meme:
I don’t even use any of that for work now so…
Why do people hate AI so much? I find it genuinely very useful
@nroth also, looking at your activity you may be a bot or a paid schill, so you aren’t worth my human created words. Blocked.
“You must be AI” is such an intellectually lazy response to this comment that I did not even anticipate it
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Get through a work day without it? Yes. BECAUSE THEN I’D ACTUALLY HAVE A FUCKING JOB.
…sorry for screaming.
Wild fucking take
