and I want to be clear - this means no aid to Ukraine either. We are broke as it is.
It might surprise some people, but democracy isn’t actually decided by posts on twitter. You need to vote in elections, that’s how voters are saying things.
Ah yes, like in 2024, when you could vote between “senile child-sniffing genocidaire who devotes his life to Israel” and “pedophilic rapist genocidaire who devotes his life to money, which Israel has plenty of”
Electoral politics won’t save us, lib. Working class organizing will. You vote to better enable an environment in which the working class can organize (which mostly means being exploited less), not to cast your vote then wait for your savior to arrive.
Mfers be thinking that democracy is when you reluctantly go vote for a president once a decade and bitch on fucking twitter about it before and after, and then with the same breath decline that voting doesn’t work.
We didn’t do a thing and surprise, thing didn’t work. Better do my, different thing that I can’t even describe, that’ll do it.
No fucking wonder you let your country down the drain with this amount of political understanding.So you’re angry because you need the concept of working class organizing explicitly explained to you, or?
Buddy, you can’t get grasp a concept of casting a vote despite you presumably being a voting age therefore having at least a decade to learn. I’m sure you trying to explain anything will be entertaining in some weird way, but I’m not into that type of fun.
I get your point, but at no point in 2024 were you able to vote for Biden.
Ah yeah you’re right but you could get pretty close
So, it’s no longer “Electoralism is the only thing that matters. Vote Democrat”; now it’s “Electoralism doesn’t matter, organizing does. Vote Democrat.” This is how a leftist rationalizes voting against their own best interests. Okay.
I’m never voting for a Democrat again lol, not sure how you reached that conclusion. Why would I vote for either corporate-and-Zionazi-owned party?
Are you saying we need our Citizen’s United?!
Citizens should be more united, that’s for sure
Added punctuation to make it appeal to centrist Democrats:
Medicare for All? No. Aid to Isreal! Healthcare over. War!
Should be MediCAID for all.
I’d settle for proper universal healthcare no matter the name. Medicare for all is not the ideal. I’ll take what we can get though.
Why? Just curious, because I thought the idea was having both systems consolidated under medicare. What’s the tangible distinction?
Medicare has been thoroughly fucked with and partially privatized. Medicaid on the other hand is no copay (even on prescriptions), free at point of use, and still privatized, but less so.
Fundamentally what we actually need is a “federal health insurance corporation” which receives full funding from the federal government to provide single payer health insurance to all citizens and to interface with insurers and payers for healthcare of visitors. Something more akin to the NHS but independent enough that politicians can make them cover something, but can’t make them not cover it. Currently we just really don’t have anything like that. Though Washington, Colorado, and Nevada do have public option health insurers now.
What we really need is for taxes to pay for everything health care related. If anyone is found to be making profit beyond their basic salary, they can be fed feet-first into a woodchipper. If anyone wants to start playing ticky-tack games with what should be covered or not, they too can be fed to the woodchipper.
Not sure, but I think Medicaid pays for more than medicare does. My retired parents still have copays for stuff.
I could be wrong, but I think your Medicare benefits are still somehow tied to your previous employer. My friend’s dad likes to brag about how he paid into some special program that now he has $0 copays, but only if he gets his care at a hospital. As a result, he goes to the ER for everything because he gets free healthcare that way.
And then he complains about welfare queens and homeless people not knowing how to handle money, and that young people don’t want to work and that’s why social security is collapsing.
Whether you start with Medicare or Medicaid as the base, the end result is the same.
That’s what most Americans are saying. The biggest voting block in America is independents. Yet we stupidly keep lettings the elites in the margins have all the air in every room so they can pretend-fight over invented talking points as a distraction so we can’t stop them taking our time/money/resources.
When the lefists replace the establishment by voting in the primaries.
That’s it. That’s all we have to do. You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him. Know why Mandami won in New York? Because the primary voters supported him.
It’s not fucking witchcraft. People need to show up to vote in the primaries instead of just bitching about the candidates in November. That’s how you move the party left.
The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.
You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him.
Right, it had nothing to do with the DNC openly rigging primaries against him and then arguing in court that they were within their right to do so. It’s never the system, always the individuals!
The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.
The elites which run this country permitted the fascist takeover of the GOP because fascism is not contrary to, and can even be beneficial for, capitalist interests - at least up to a point.
Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they’re alive.
The article you linked is about a lawsuit that went nowhere because there’s no obligation for the establishment not to prefer one candidate over another.
And they didn’t rig shit. Establishment candidates who had no chance of winning dropped out, and their supporters supported Clinton over Bernie because they preferred the establishment over Bernie.
People make a big deal over how the superdelegates stole the election from Bernie, but they didn’t. He was behind in the primaries when it reached the convention, and the outrageous thing for the superdelegates would have been to overturn the majority of primary voters and give the nomination to Bernie.
And they didn’t rig shit.
From the article: “a DNC lawyer said openly that if the party wanted to do things like the old days and pick a candidate over cigars in back rooms, it would be within their legal rights to do so”
Or from this article:
"Documents released by WikiLeaks in July 2016 showed that Schultz had acted as an agent of the Hillary Clinton campaign, colluding with Clinton as early as 2014 to set up the schedule of debates and primaries to assist her campaign. For example, given her frontrunner status, with no “major” challengers on the horizon until the surprise of Sanders, Clinton wanted few debates and a primary schedule that would allow her to clinch the nomination early.
In the final month of the contest, DNC officials leaned heavily on the Sanders campaign, seeking to pressure him into conceding the nomination, long before Clinton had collected the required majority. DNC vice-chairman Donna Brazile also assisted the Clinton campaign by leaking debate questions ahead of time."
But you believe whatever helps you sleep at night, Blue MAGA. I’m never voting Democrat again regardless of what someone on Lemmy tells me to do lol. They couldn’t stand up against genocide, one of the greatest crimes against humanity, so they’ll certainly never stand up to anything less horrific.
They said they had the legal right to ignore the primary votes and make clalbackroom deals. And they might have done that, but they didn’t even have to because the primary voters, who were not in any backroom conferences, voted for Clinton.
The DNC probably would have tried to tank his nomination, but they didn’t have to because the people voting in the primaries voted against him.
That’s it. That’s all that happened. Everything they may have hypothetically chosen to do had he won the primaries didn’t matter, which is why the case against the DNC went nowhere.
When Mandami won the NYC primary a lot of the party establishment was pissed and didn’t back him, but he still was their candidate and he won in the general because even the butcher establishment voters still voted “D” because they knew it was more important to support a candidate they weren’t in love with over the fascist Republicans.
That’s a lesson the leftists need to learn. When their guy was nominated, the Democratic voters who voted against him in the primaries still showed up to the main event. If the butthurt leftists who don’t get a perfect candidate would just have done the same we wouldn’t have had a single Republican President this century unless the GOP chose to ratchet to the left.
By refusing to vote Democrat when an establishment candidategets nominated, the leftists are the cause of the rightward ratchet.
Mayoral politics are not federal politics, much less presidential election politics.
Still not voting for your preferred genocidal party :(
Every time the Republicans commit an attrocity, people like you are the reason. You should be losing sleep over it, but you won’t because of 1 of 2 reasons:
You’re a fucking idiot who allows himself to be manipulated by the right to keep people from voting against them, or you’re one of the manipultors.
Why are you going around shitting on everyone encouraging voting? Voting is the bare minimum first step to participating in politics.
You want to try organizing a bunch of people who don’t even bother voting into action? Good luck with that.
I’m shitting on the framing of “voting is the thing you do to take our country back” when that has failed since…
always. You get progress from fighting elected leaders, almost never from just electing them.
I vote and encourage others to do so too. But I vote because it’s easy and can help the actual struggle a little, not because it will save me.
I wasn’t sure about your intention initially. Fair enough, thanks
Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they’re alive.
It’s not the elite who are against anticapitalism.
…Yes it is?
Oh, this is Work Reform. Sorry for barging in, comrades. I have no idea why I hadn’t blocked this one yet.
Bye lib!
Looking at the polling, that’s also what a large contingent of Republicans are saying.
As long as you vote blue no matter who, there is no need for the party to listen to your demands. If you don’t vote because you’re not happy with the candidates, they will blame you if they loose. Representative democracy is a scam and not by accident
Happy with mine in Canada. It helps if your country isn’t shitty!
I focused on the US because that’s what the post was about but here in Germany, it’s only gradually better but I’m far from happy with it. There are topics with a majority of the population in favor but a minority in parliament. Granted, some of the elements of my first mental list have changed by now but also, all the parties are moving to the right.
But no aid to Ukraine means Europe, your biggest trade partner will be in danger, hence your economy will suffer and you’ll become more broke… There’s a reason why we have the ICC and why we have foreign aid, cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war… So idk foreign aid makes everyone richer imo
Uhm, the USA doesn’t recognize the ICC
cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war
LMAO
Is that really the lesson you think America learned after WWII? Is that why they’ve been constantly starting illegal wars of aggression across the planet for 80 years?
I think americans education lacks desperately yeah but after a bad enough war they’ll maybe finally see why we need international rules. Why would anyone not sign it, do they want to be able to make rules that justify crimes against humanity or war crimes? Unless you’re doing shady stuff. And the lobbying of rich companies that want to keep resources poor, so maybe we should start with taxing big companies way more then and limiting the sum amount of assets someone can have, say 1M-10M. Cause the lobbying for human rights and average people seems nonexistent
do they want to be able to make rules that justify crimes against humanity or war crimes?
That is literally America’s MO, yes. They have laws which state if any international Justice system tries to hold an American accountable, they have to invade and go to war. The Hague invasion act.
Exactlyyy. The Hague invasion act is used when the ICC wants to investigate war crimes by america’s army (or israelians army). So america will go as far as to attack a country as soon as they want to investigate what happened somewhere … the ICC just went after Trumps government for sanctioning the ICC, aka international law. Bruh how obvious corrupt do they want to be… Trump for prison asap
America for balkanization. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Death to America.
Word
If course they won’t listen. If the last forty years have proven anything, it’s that the Democratic Party will never in a million years choose its base over its donors.
The Democratic Party is where progressive movements go to die. DSA can get some stuff done at the local level, and that’s genuinely a good thing, but the DNC is beyond reform.
The Democratic Party is where progressive movements are captured and murdered, or at least neutered. It’s the party’s main function. That’s why they’re fine with throwing an election to Trump and fundraising from the minority for a few years, their donors reward them either way as long as they stop those meddling kids.
What it our citizens were united? Could that help?
Uhhh… Ro Khanna is a Democratic congressman. I’m from Canada and I know that FFS. He’s the guy that got some of the Epstein files released and it’s actually a crime that they haven’t all been released.
Y’all are so conditioned into thinking the Democrats are bad that when an incumbent Democratic congressman says something you like you have to pretend it’s a voter the Democratic party doesn’t listen to?
and I want to be clear - this means no aid to Ukraine either. We are broke as it is.
So abandon all allies of the US? I guess you believe both Russian and Iranian propaganda. Is there any propaganda on the internet you don’t fall for?
The US is actually the wealthiest country in the world. You’re just so blinded by hatred for Israel you can’t even consider simply taxing the wealthy. Hasan Piker is really earning the money Jeff Bezos is paying him I guess.
No one is “blinded by hatred for Israel”, my hatred for the genocidal colonial apartheid ethnostate is wholly clear-eyed.
Thank you for proving my point.
genocidal colonial apartheid ethnostate
Except Russia, of course. You’re fine with them.
Lame whataboutism that doesn’t even warrant a response, but I’m feeling generous so I’ll give you one anyway:
- Israel receives billions of dollars of US aid. I allegedly have some sway over that as a US Citizen… allegedly. Russia does not receive billions of dollars of US aid - to the contrary, they’re already heavily sanctioned - so there’s not much point in me trying to sway domestic opinion against them.
- Russia’s actions have not been recognized as genocide by the leading global authorities on genocide, unlike Pissrael. I’m also not aware of Russia having a system of apartheid. I’m also not aware of any Russian colonies - maybe you could name one?
- I am, partially, Polish. I have no personal love for Russia, very likely some of my ancestors died fighting them or otherwise died by Russian hands. I just don’t think they’re any worse than my own country, the United States, so I have no morally-superior position to target them from.
- It was fucked up for America to tell Ukraine to decommission their nukes and then we would protect them, and then for us to push NATO up to Russia’s borders. The inverse of that is exactly what got America all nervous, to say the least, during the “Cuban Missile Crisis”. (Speaking of which, the United States is currently imposing a famine and medical collapse on Cuba, more proof that Pissrael is just Little America.) Ukraine should’ve kept their nukes to avoid being dependent on the untrustworthy and imperialist US, and NATO membership should’ve never been a question.
Now that that’s out of the way, can we discuss why you’re framing principled opposition to the modern-day holocaust as “blind hatred”?
Hey @JcbAzPx@lemmy.world , you forgot to reply here, but I know facts are scary for Zionazi symps.
You did more than enough to damn yourself. Thank you.
Did they say that, or are you being a fuckhead?
This is what most normal earthlings everywhere are saying. Now, what’s the holdup I wonder?
Israel will never let this happen
And release the Epstein files
I wish people would stop saying Medicare for all. My wife is preparing to go on Medicare, with the help of a professional due to the ridiculously complicated sign up process that varies by locality and this shit is expensive. I want mine covered by the taxes I already pay and the taxes they should force corporations and rich people to pay.
We can solve all kinds of problems by making the single richest person pay all medical bills in the country.
When #1 is down to #2, they’re tied for richest and can share the remainder. Repeat as needed.
I like your idea.
And enough regulation that we can eat fruits and veggies without fear of explosive diarrhea. And the capacity to afford said fruits and vegetables.
Unpopular, but truth: The company in question also had issues under Obama, did not donate, and did also not receive significant punishments then. And you’re gonna hate this even worse: Outbreaks like this happen. They have and will. And our food system is safer than it was decades and decades ago. Just because it is much safer doesn’t mean things like this won’t happen - they will.
That said, we can always continue to work to make things safer.
But this outbreak is not an indication that the system is overall broken in any way whatsoever.
It’s like expecting fender benders to not happen. And people die in auto accidents. We accept that risk as a part of driving, and we understand that safety improvements over the years have made accidents more survivable. And yet we drive, take that risk, and know that it could be worse.
Similar with food. It is, overall, very safe. But these things will happen. And yes, we should continually improve safety.
It’s like expecting fender benders to not happen. And people die in auto accidents. We accept that risk as a part of driving, and we understand that safety improvements over the years have made accidents more survivable. And yet we drive, take that risk, and know that it could be worse.
Not to take away from the rest of your point with which I agree, but we absolutely must stop driving. Like, completely ban personal cars in populated areas. The risks of driving are not necessary. There are plenty of other forms of transportation that are not only safer but also faster, healthier, more environmentally sustainable, reduce harmful pollution, make for better cities, and help eliminate poverty. Motonormativity is a crime perpetrated by capital to sell everyone more cars, tarmac, and gasoline, at an enormous cost to human wellbeing and life.
with which I agree
how dare you. downvoted!
;-)
But agreed. And we need radical change in the US - massive expansion of medium density (or higher density) mixed-use building so public transportation makes sense and works.
While what you say is true it is also true that this administration is a train wreck, talks often of deregulation, and gives no fucks about working class citizens.
It’s difficult to trust in coincidence with these self serving leeches.
