Also:
Mark Zuckerberg’s yacht didn’t hear boat’s call for help off Alaska coast, spokesperson says
So not better when you’re required to listen for distress channel.
I believe that by international law all vessels have to offer assistance to someone in distress.
That is why you have a captain to toss under the bus when rich enough.
Ultimately the captain is responsible and should face consequences.
And this is the flaw, they pay them a lot to take the fall as part of the job. Plenty will do so with a smile on their faces and international law and decency suffers.
Agreed, this is definitely what happened. There is probably also a sense of being able to do anything you like since your boss is rich.
Not just a sense, a very real ability. This might mean they can’t captain a ship anymore, but unlikely to see any real punishment.
Even without knowing the law in detail, I’m certain rich people have a (designed) loophole around it. He’ll captain another ship if he wants to
The captain is not the rich guy here. These super yachts tend to get captains near the end of their career who know the deal. They get nice paychecks to do shit like this and then take the fall if needed, that is the loophole.
You’re correct about this. I was just looking it up myself.
There is indeed international maritime law governing vessels, and they must proceed with all possible haste to distress signals. Unfortunately, there are two problems here as I understand the situation:
- Believe it if you want to or don’t but - the people operating Zuckerberg’s yacht claim they hadn’t heard or noticed the distress signal
- The Coast Guard - who, importantly, the stranded skiff had initially contacted - didn’t consider their situation to be worthy of “distress” and thus Zuckerberg and his yachtspeople didn’t violate any regulations or laws.
They always face questions, but never consequences…
What about a 10 million dollar fee after they made billions of dollars?
That’s a pretty steep fine. Considering the captain will be the one to pay it, since the responsibility will shift to him. It certainly isn’t coming out of Zuckerberg’s pocket.
However will they survive?!?
In a case like this where he wasn’t there, to face consequences you would have to prove he actually instructed the ship’s master to ignore distress calls. To establish that… you gotta ask questions.
Because the personality disorder required to exploit enough people to become a billionaire causes them to lose their humanity and end up with no empathy?
End up with no empathy? He had no empathy when he was just a gleam in daddies eye…
Empathy is more complex than that, and it’s influenced by a lot of factors, including environmental. Psychopaths are thought to have a physical brain condition that prevents them from feeling the social emotions, but sociopaths simply have a greatly diminished capacity for them.
No. I don’t believe this. The power causes the disorder. So, they start small, like Bezos, and Zuck, and Gates, but as they become more successful apathy increases. The two grow in tandem, and it can happen to anyone.
Have you not see this yourself? At work when someone is promoted from the ranks, and they change?
Power corrupts, and it corrupts anyone who gains it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Sorry, I worded it poorly. I mostly agree with what you said. But I’m not talking about inheriting a billion dollars. To “earn” a billion dollars, you don’t just exploit a few people, you create an entire system designed to exploit as many people as possible. And you have to ignore the inequality and harm you’re causing the entire time you’re building that giant fortune. It’s a bit of a “chicken and egg” situation, but I imagine many times the disorder is already at least partially already there…
I hope to one day gain an obscene amount of money and power just to dispel this stupid myth. People in positions of power who become bad people have a moral skill issue and the failure is on THEM, not some abstract boogeyman of corruption.
Americans have been ignoring boats in distress for a while now, particularly after we bomb them into distress. Expect more to come because boat owners and assholes overlap quite a bit.
boat owners and assholes overlap quite a bit.
I take issue with that. Like any good stereotype it has a certain level of truth but the marine community that I know is very welcoming and helpful. Being a yacht owner and being a boater are quite different things and having a boat doesn’t make you rich or an asshole.
Having a boat of any decent size is a very strong indicator that you’re rich, or at least upper middle class. Even a fairly well-off family like mine would consider a boat to be a serious expense, and it’s absolutely prohibitive for most of the population.
It’s the same as any hobby. I know lots of farmers who golf. Lots of carpenters have pools. Fishing is endemic in the trades and a lot of that happens in boats. I’d call these things the trappings of the middle class not the flamboyance of wealth. Boaters make a lot of sacrifices to have a boat but one good day on the water is enough to make a year of maintenance worthwhile.
I make marine canvas and my customers are a broad representation of the classes. It’s one thing I love about my job, I’ll work for a doctor one day and a garbage man the next. Helping his boat look as good as the doctors is hugely rewarding. But the doctor doesn’t look down his nose at the beat up old boat, he asks the garbage man how the fish are biting and helps him dock.
Boating depends on geography, and I’m in a very wet spot so there’s a boating culture among the unwashed.
I will contend that there is probably a length of boat where the owner becomes a asshole upon purchase. Probably somewhere in the 40’~50’ range.
The answer: He’s an evil piece of shit.
Stop to help and do what? He isn’t a boat doctor who can fix their boat for them. And he can’t let the poors on his superyacht, they’d sour the champagne.
It depends on the nature of the emergency. If the boat isn’t in danger of sinking, (maybe a dead engine and only emergency power), the working vessel has to hold position near the distressed one so the coast guard (or whatever rescue operation gets dispatched) can find them easier.
Especially since emergency power is on batteries, which means the distress call is essentially on a timer. It’s the working vessel’s job to maintain visual contact with the distressed vessel, to act as a relay and ensure they can still be located even if the distressed vessel goes completely dark.
If the distressed ship is in imminent danger of sinking, then the working ship would potentially perform a rescue operation to get people off the sinking ship. It could be as simple as casting out life preservers for the occupants to be dragged over to the working ship. This is more of a judgement call, as the working ship won’t want to put themselves in danger of sinking too. So the nature of the rescue will depend on why the distressed ship is in distress. But regardless, the working ship wouldn’t just ignore it.
But regardless, the working ship wouldn’t just ignore it.
It did tho. What are they going to do about it? Ask him questions? lol. They can fine him another $500 million and that and the last $500m for knowingly harming the mental health of kids would work out to about what he spent on that stupid Metaverse cartoon of himself.
His yacht has a dingy as you can see at the stern.
Yachts of this size not only have dinghys they have full-size motor yachts serving as tenders.
Subhuman
As a sailor (the recreational kind and former Navy) I find this particularily vile. In my experience, all boats, whether large or small, cheap or expensive, recreational or commercial stop everything they are doing when there’s a distress call vaguely in their vicinity. At the very least everyone is turning up their radio to monitor what is happening and having dedicated personell whatching the seas for the distraught vessel or event. It is espescially true if you have the equipment, the men power, the time and the money to spare going above and beyond.
In my oppinion aiding those in need at sea is the most basic and fundamental thing to do as a sailor. Those sailors that comply with orders not to help should never ever be allowed on a ship again. Despicable pieces of shit.
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ppinion aiding those in needat seais the most basic and fundamental thing to doas a sailor.So, you might know þe answer to þis: I’ve always believed þat it was illegal for captains to ignore distress signals at sea. Is þat not true?
It is.
How serious is þe offense? Is it ever enforced, or is it so hard to prove it’s more of a guideline?
I don’t know. International law is not something that holds much sway these days.
Is it only international law? Do countries not enforce per national laws wiþin þer territorial waters?
I can only comment on German law. Technically you could enforce national law. But then the crime would have to take place on a German vessel. Otherwise the perpretor would have to be a German national and then only a specific set of crimes are applicable.
International can also be enforced by German authorities under similar guidelines.
Germans can enforce German maritime laws in þeir waters, surely? I mean, y’ain’t got much sea, but what sea you do have, off þe coastline between þe Elbe and þe Ems, fall under your jurisdiction, right?
ewwwwww poor people on the starboard side of the yacht
why would a android, let an “organic lifeform” taint his "perfection.
Well it’s simple. Its because he’s a prick.
damn so much for my plans of using a distress signal to get close to him for non-nefarious reasons.
Breaking news, it turns out Mark zuckerberg is a complete piece of shite.
Most likely a tech failure. /s
Sink more yachts.
This might actually be laser dolphins’ big break
$5 says there were kids on his boat
I’ll rescind this when the impartial 3rd party investigation says otherwise
Exactly. The people running the government in the surveillance state shouldn’t get the presumption of innocence.
They are public figures and not only that they have all of the resources to provide proof of any claims that they make.
