When an Iranian official this week laid out a list of demands to end the war started by the United States and Israel, he added an item that hadn’t been on Tehran’s list before: recognition of Iran’s sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz.
The narrow waterway through which a fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas (LNG) ordinarily passes has emerged as the Islamic Republic’s most potent weapon. And it is now seeking to turn into both a source of potentially billions of dollars in annual revenue and a pressure point on the global economy.
Iran has long threatened to close the strait in case of an attack, but few expected it to follow through – or for it to prove so effective in disrupting global trade flows. The scale of the impact appears to have expanded Tehran’s ambitions, with the new demands suggesting it is seeking to turn that leverage into something more durable.
Iran should include demanding the release of all Epstein documents.
They would just do the whole “we don’t negotiate with terrorists spiel”
Iran is a UN recognized state. They aren’t terrorists.
The US is, too, but its government is clearly terrorists.
Those are war criminals.
Yes, as is Iran’s government.
I’ll admit I’m not well versed in recent Iranian foreign affairs. What war crimes have they committed?
Maybe doesn’t qualify as a war crime, but they have mass murdered their own protesting citizens.
But you should also read up on their role in funding militias around the arab world, about sunnis and shias, about operation AJAX, and about their authoritarian regime.
That might ultimatelly be good for America and Americans, so why would Iran ever do something like that?
I mean, if America was a society with humanitarian values were what’s happenned now with Trump was an exception, it would make sense, but historically the US has been in war most of its existence, of late most of it being in the Middle East causing the deaths of millions of civilians, and very few people in the US were actually against it as a question of principle and even now most are only against it because “American money”, “American lives” or “Gas prices in America” so it’s clearly not a society of good people who normally uphold good values and is just momentarilly under the control of evil people.
The US is not a society where most people think that innocent lives are sacred, be it at home or abroad.
Because it’s basically a big “Fuck You” to Trump that they know he will never willingly agree to. So a tit-for-tat to Trump’s insane and unrealistic demands for Iran.
This is the proposal that should be offered to Iran. Iran will be permitted to pursue its nuclear program as long as it’s for peaceful purposes. Iran will be strictly monitored for compliance. Any violation will result in invasion by the US, Europe, and any other nations willing to join in. If Iran agrees to the proposal, all sanctions will be immediately lifted. It’s unnecessary for Iran to have sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz. If sanctions are lifted, Iran will be making money from oil and other exports. Unlike Trump’s 15-point peace plan, mine is simple.
This is basically just the Obama Iran deal. It was working pretty much exactly like this until Trump tore it up and began in multiple rounds attacking Iran.
After this war, Iran has no reason to sign such a deal especially since Trump and Israel will just tear it up whenever they want. Iran needs security guarantees which your deal doesn’t provide.
Then I will include security guarantees. If the US and/or Israel attacks Iran while Iran is abiding by the agreement, Russia, China, and Europe would intervene militarily to protect Iran.
How well did that work out for Ukraine?
The realpolitik answer is always to get nukes before they can stop you. Look at how well it worked for Israel and North Korea.
Yes, but the US and Israel can stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb, but Trump should stop at that rather than demanding things such as ballistic missiles with limited range and no aid to organizations such as Hezbollah.
Lol so now Russia China and Europe have to jump into militarily attack the US ? This is your plan? Well sounds solved to me.
They don’t have to attack the US and/or Israel, just send troops to Iran. This would include not only ground troops but air and ground forces. Russia is near Iran. Seeking military forces would be easy.
Yes they could do that. But why would they commit to that?
You said Iran would want security guarantees. This is it. Russia and China would definitely agree to it since Russia wouldn’t want an Iran controlled by the US and China needs Iranian oil.
China is getting Iranian oil right now and the US isn’t going to control Iran. Why would either of them commit to this? Pretending like you solved the problem when none of the incentives line up is ridiculous. Either of them could militarily defend Iran if they want to without commiting to a security guarantees for Iran. So why would they bind themselves unnecessarily?
Seeing how well Iran did actually close and keep selectively closed the Strait of Hormuz it seems fair to give them the sovereignty.
There’s this clunky thing standing in the way of that, called international law.
What, we suddenly give a shit about that again?
Just when the “bad guys” are breaking it, when it’s our guys, breaking stupid international law is OK.
So both the US and Iran are breaking international law against each other.
But Iran is also breaking the right given by international law against neutral nations in this conflict. By restricting their right to shipping. Those nations have every moral and legal right to complain about Iran.
The UAE or Oman could probably do that as well if they wanted to.
Not really. You basically have to be either a superpower or a pariah state to do something like this and not be immediately pummeled into oblivion.
They could just target any ships from or to Iranian ports or of nations which support Iran with artillery or drones.
It’s exactly because it’s so stupidly easy to attack civilian ships in a space like that whilst it’s very hard to defend against it that Iran is able to do so even whilst under attack by American and Israel, so the country on the other side could do the same thing and only target Iranian or Iran-related ships.
Two can play the “fuck the other side’s ship” game there.
Exactly. 90% of Iran’s oil leave by sea, via Kharg island.
If Iran turns to piracy by threatening “pay or we sink your ships” at all other nations, then all other nations should just confiscate all Iran’s ships in return.
Oil revenues are 35% of Iran’s budget. This should not be a can of worms that Iran wants to open.
