“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.
The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”
“You shall know them by their fruits.” - Jesus Christ
Neither Trump nor Vance are Christians.
Did you know God’s favorite son (David) murdered two hundred men so that he could remove their foreskins? He used them to purchase a bride (her price was 100 foreskins, but David doubled that because, well, you know, he just really likes murdering men and cutting off their foreskins).
What kind of fruit is that? I dunno. maybe some kind of fruit roll-up
David wasn’t God’s Son nor was he a Christian, but you knew that already.
David WAS God’s favorite, and we are all the children of God, according to God.
Are you calling God a liar? You’ll burn for that!
Why does him not being Christian matter? What an odd thing to say!
He’s God’s favorite (according to God). God’s favorite was a Jew, and the Son of God was also a Jew (and a rabbi, for that matter… note the capitalization of “Son” to elevate Jesus above any other sons of God, like David, the apple of God’s eye).
This goes without saying, so you don’t need to mention it any further.
At least Jews have an excuse, God appeared before them many times. Did God show Himself to any Christians? Not once! Christians are God’s rejects, it seems (He didn’t say that, this is my opinion, since God never appeared to Christians they can’t be that important).
Unless you believe in the Book of Mormon, of course. Which is another can of worms. Worms that dyeth not, so to speak.
Vance is kind of a fruit tho
Definitely a dingleberry.
How convenient for Christianity 🙄
Even the Apostles got it twisted while Jesus was alive. Luke 9:51-56 is relevant here.
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. ~Luke 10:19
Also, Jesus said you are immune to venom under His magical super powers, and this is why there are churches with snake handlers to this very day.
It’s pretty funny, when the rattlers bite them they try to heal it with prayer before running to the ER.
They don’t use King Cobras for some reason
Heretic.
I… Hes like the only person who should be in that religion, isnt he?
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.
Whatever, Jan.
The Pope should just excommunicate the couchfucker.
The heretical couchfucker.
On second thought, that might make him sound more metal. Maybe just couchfucker is enough.
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible
It isn’t. That’s only when the Pope is speaking “ex cathedra” meaning “from the chair” which Pius IX defined as
when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.
Sure sounds to me like “opining on matters of theology”.
Oh it sounds to you like that does it? And you’re going to substitute your layman’s understanding of the topic for what Catholic scholars determine then? Go ahead and do an image search for “dunning kruger chart” and see if you can find where you fit on it.
I don’t know what I did to deserve being called stupid and I’d sure like to know so I can properly repent for my horrifying sin. Or maybe I’m beyond absolution. Who knows.
I didn’t call you stupid. But you are willing to take a very layman’s understanding of a technical subject’s jargon and think that you immediately understand it all. So use whatever adjective you feel applies there.
Then you should know that, generally, an invocation of Dunning-Kruger is understood as a veiled “you’re stupid”. Now you know.
What jargon am I not understanding?
Then you should know that, generally, an invocation of Dunning-Kruger is understood as a veiled “you’re stupid”. Now you know.
If you have people frequently referring you to Dunning Kruger you may want to rethink things a bit.
What jargon am I not understanding?
I render my former answer. You don’t care to learn, I don’t care to teach.
My point. He is infallible, specifically in this matter.
And my point is that you’re wrong.
John 13:34, Matthew 5:9, Matthew 26:52, Luke 6:27
The Pope is right to bring Jesus’ word to light here, if Vance is truly faithful. I wish you peace, verily.
So just like a complete non-sequitur then?
Not justifying mr couch fucker, but I will point out: modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible when speaking “ex cathedra”, literally “from the chair”, which is also like… weird with different peoples’ opinions on what is ex cathedra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
on the other hand, Vance’s “catholicism” doesn’t even match the fucking Bible, so, yknow.
Well, let’s be real… Catholicism doesn’t match the Bible, either.
It’s a ridiculous book full of contradictions, so par for the course.
He can disagree with the pope but not disagree with the catechism and still consider himself catholic, and the pope is only restating the “Safeguarding Peace” chapter.
modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible
Yeah, pretty much. What, you expected consistency from the religious sect that has consistently had issues with child sexual abuse?
I hate to break it to you about other religions, too…
Obviously the Catholic Church has a systemic problem, and given that it’s one of the largest religions on earth (and their molester shuffling), it’s more universal than in a lot of religions, and I’m not defending them. They’re only unique in scale though.
Which other religions are you referring to? Naturally you would identify them by name.
If you’d like. Mormons, different kinds of Protestant, Jehovas Witnesses, Amish, Hasidic Jews, Muslims, and so many cults off the top of my head (not the links, obviously, but I just wrote out all of the religions associated with pedophilia I remembered from the past few years and went looking for stories). I suspect if I lived around more other religions, I’d be able to remember different ones and you can probably find cases for most religions (I just went looking for an exception, but even Unitarians are not immune).
“Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? […] I certainly think the answer is yes."
So, if you assume God did not like fascists in the 1940s - what makes you think he has changed his mind to now support you and your ilk, couch boy? That’s a mighty big plank to pull from that eye of yours.
They don’t think they’re fascists, they think they’re the good guys
Strongly disagree. Previous administrations, yes. Bush, certainly. But not this one. For that, corruption and self-enrichment are too rampant and poorly camouflaged (if at all), disdain for democratic institutions too blatant, preparations for an authoritarian power grab too brazenly obvious. These guys know who they are and who they serve, and they don’t even feel the need to hide it any more. The mask is off.
I wasn’t aware the Pope was a law enforcement official, or a foreign policy official. Gosh, where would we be without these little gems Trump keeps dropping?
As absolute monarch, he is in fact both of these thkngs.
Satire is dead
The pope needs to excommunicate JD
And then curbstomp him to drive the point home.
is that a threat?
RIP Francis
Excuse me, but did Juliette Dianne Vance just challenge the Pope on theology?
Juliette Dianne Vance
Thats Vance!? Hahahahahahahaha
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Maybe we need a youtube documentary from somebody exploring the emo to fascist pipeline…
Well, The Hard Times has, for many years, satirized the fact that pop-punk singers tend to gravitate toward high school aged women…
Make it 3 hours long and down by some dude who sounds like he is both baffled and sleep deprived.
James Donald Bowman
To a fucking POPE of all people… Jesus Dumbass Vance, go back to fucking sofas.
What’s even crazier is people being surprised…
Like, people honestly think conservatives are actually religious and they use religion to dictate their politics and not the other way around.
Do you know any conservatives outside of memes. Of course you do, they just don’t want to deal with your hysteria.
I have no idea what you’re talking about…
But I know a lot more conservatives and “conservatives” then most people it’s unavoidable for me
I do! I have known many, and they seemed pretty cool with hysteria.
JADE HELM OH NO OBAMA IS GONNA LOAD US ON TRAINS
Wow, a three-day-old account. Welcome to Lemmy, Fred Garvin! I see you’ve quickly found your sea legs, lol.
Some conservstives are some are not
The Pope is only the Pope for Catholics. It’s not a universal Christian thing, many don’t place value on his words or accept what he says as accurate.
Anyways they’re all complicit in child sex abuse scandals, so no one should listen to a word they say.
My growing view is that too many American Catholics have failed to show proper deference to the papacy, treating the pope as a political figure to be criticized or praised according to their whims.
Huh, maybe JD should listen to this guy
Ya, not enough prayers about how to love snd cherish your beautiful couches, they need JD love
Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those, those innocent people, you know, those who had survived the Holocaust?
What a silly question. It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place. It is generally commonly thought by believers that we are all God’s children. When your children get in a fight do you pick sides and cheer for one of them to kick the other’s ass? I would hope not. I would hope that, as a parent, you would step in and try and stop the fight.
Assuming there is a God, I would hope he/she/it would just be terribly disappointed in all the children involved for not finding a way to settle their differences peacefully.
I feel like there’s a really great Bob Dylan song that deals with this very topic… Maybe JD Vance should listen to it?
I’ll stand over your grave till I’m sure that your dead!
It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place.
If you read the Bible, you’ll find that God picked sides immediately, and has never stopped. He even has a “Chosen People”, you can’t possibly pick sides any further.
We may all be God’s children, but remember, God is perfectly fine with murdering billions of His children, and not only that, He tortures them with Hell forever after. He can’t even let them die in peace.
Yes, it is certainly silly, which makes it all the more horrifying
Shut the fuck up, James.
Jimmy Pants
Quite a Protestant think to say, for a supposed Catholic.
MAGA is JD’s religion now.
Mammon are these people’s religion. Or Ba’al, depending on perspective.
Maybe the Moloch of Despotism?
I dunno. Im hearing children crying under stairways boys sobbing in armies and old men weeping in the park. Smelling ash cans and unobtainable dollars.
JD’s religion is and anyways has been whatever is most politically expedient at the moment. Dude is a snake in the grass when no actual morals or convictions.
