“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.
The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”
JD’s political career is over after this regime
Take him into a backroom with promises of a soft couch.
Then just fucking shoot him in the head. Lights out. No fanfare. Just gone.
What funny to watch (I mean, gallows humor funny) is that as Trump gets weaker, the various temptations for Crown Prince Couchfucker to coup him just grow exponentially.
I like to imagine Trump and Vance sitting across from each other, silently weighing each other up, Trump telling himself shit like “JD owes me everything, he wouldn’t,” and Vance just looking back across at Trump like Trump’s a couch.
No, it’s not. He’ll flourish.
Watch and see!
We can’t even get rid of Ted Cruz. They stay in office until they are half-dead (see Biden, Mitch, etc.)
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.
Whatever, Jan.
Not justifying mr couch fucker, but I will point out: modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible when speaking “ex cathedra”, literally “from the chair”, which is also like… weird with different peoples’ opinions on what is ex cathedra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible
Yeah, pretty much. What, you expected consistency from the religious sect that has consistently had issues with child sexual abuse?
I hate to break it to you about other religions, too…
Obviously the Catholic Church has a systemic problem, and given that it’s one of the largest religions on earth (and their molester shuffling), it’s more universal than in a lot of religions, and I’m not defending them. They’re only unique in scale though.
Which other religions are you referring to? Naturally you would identify them by name.
If you’d like. Mormons, different kinds of Protestant, Jehovas Witnesses, Amish, Hasidic Jews, Muslims, and so many cults off the top of my head (not the links, obviously, but I just wrote out all of the religions associated with pedophilia I remembered from the past few years and went looking for stories). I suspect if I lived around more other religions, I’d be able to remember different ones and you can probably find cases for most religions (I just went looking for an exception, but even Unitarians are not immune).
on the other hand, Vance’s “catholicism” doesn’t even match the fucking Bible, so, yknow.
Well, let’s be real… Catholicism doesn’t match the Bible, either.
It’s a ridiculous book full of contradictions, so par for the course.
He can disagree with the pope but not disagree with the catechism and still consider himself catholic, and the pope is only restating the “Safeguarding Peace” chapter.
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible
It isn’t. That’s only when the Pope is speaking “ex cathedra” meaning “from the chair” which Pius IX defined as
when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.
My point. He is infallible, specifically in this matter.
And my point is that you’re wrong.
John 13:34, Matthew 5:9, Matthew 26:52, Luke 6:27
The Pope is right to bring Jesus’ word to light here, if Vance is truly faithful. I wish you peace, verily.
So just like a complete non-sequitur then?
Sure sounds to me like “opining on matters of theology”.
Oh it sounds to you like that does it? And you’re going to substitute your layman’s understanding of the topic for what Catholic scholars determine then? Go ahead and do an image search for “dunning kruger chart” and see if you can find where you fit on it.
I don’t know what I did to deserve being called stupid and I’d sure like to know so I can properly repent for my horrifying sin. Or maybe I’m beyond absolution. Who knows.
I didn’t call you stupid. But you are willing to take a very layman’s understanding of a technical subject’s jargon and think that you immediately understand it all. So use whatever adjective you feel applies there.
Then you should know that, generally, an invocation of Dunning-Kruger is understood as a veiled “you’re stupid”. Now you know.
What jargon am I not understanding?
Then you should know that, generally, an invocation of Dunning-Kruger is understood as a veiled “you’re stupid”. Now you know.
If you have people frequently referring you to Dunning Kruger you may want to rethink things a bit.
What jargon am I not understanding?
I render my former answer. You don’t care to learn, I don’t care to teach.
The Pope should just excommunicate the couchfucker.
The heretical couchfucker.
On second thought, that might make him sound more metal. Maybe just couchfucker is enough.
JD Vance lying about his truthfulness and integrity, both of which are non-existent.
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Excuse me, but did Juliette Dianne Vance just challenge the Pope on theology?
James Donald Bowman
Juliette Dianne Vance
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Maybe we need a youtube documentary from somebody exploring the emo to fascist pipeline…
Well, The Hard Times has, for many years, satirized the fact that pop-punk singers tend to gravitate toward high school aged women…
Make it 3 hours long and down by some dude who sounds like he is both baffled and sleep deprived.
Thats Vance!? Hahahahahahahaha
To a fucking POPE of all people… Jesus Dumbass Vance, go back to fucking sofas.
The Pope is only the Pope for Catholics. It’s not a universal Christian thing, many don’t place value on his words or accept what he says as accurate.
Anyways they’re all complicit in child sex abuse scandals, so no one should listen to a word they say.
My growing view is that too many American Catholics have failed to show proper deference to the papacy, treating the pope as a political figure to be criticized or praised according to their whims.
Huh, maybe JD should listen to this guy
What’s even crazier is people being surprised…
Like, people honestly think conservatives are actually religious and they use religion to dictate their politics and not the other way around.
Some conservstives are some are not
Do you know any conservatives outside of memes. Of course you do, they just don’t want to deal with your hysteria.
I have no idea what you’re talking about…
But I know a lot more conservatives and “conservatives” then most people it’s unavoidable for me
I do! I have known many, and they seemed pretty cool with hysteria.
JADE HELM OH NO OBAMA IS GONNA LOAD US ON TRAINS
Wow, a three-day-old account. Welcome to Lemmy, Fred Garvin! I see you’ve quickly found your sea legs, lol.
Ya, not enough prayers about how to love snd cherish your beautiful couches, they need JD love
Shut the fuck up, James.
Jimmy Pants
Quite a Protestant think to say, for a supposed Catholic.
MAGA is JD’s religion now.
Mammon are these people’s religion. Or Ba’al, depending on perspective.
I dunno. Im hearing children crying under stairways boys sobbing in armies and old men weeping in the park. Smelling ash cans and unobtainable dollars.
Maybe the Moloch of Despotism?
JD’s religion is and anyways has been whatever is most politically expedient at the moment. Dude is a snake in the grass when no actual morals or convictions.
imagine one of these perpetual liars saying the pope is a liar.
I know it’s a long shot but I desperately hope some of them live to regret this behavior.
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Would the makeup run if Couch Guyliner was excommunicated?
They’re really going with ‘lets pick a moral fight with the Pope’.
… I actually have trouble comprehending this, because it is so obviously a politically stupid thing to do.
JD is apparently considerably more lost in the sauce than I thought, has od’d on his own fart sniffing.
It really is wild how immesenly hubristic this all is, but it does serve as a very useful illustration to the rest of the world to drive home the idea that American Christians ™ quite literally think they speak with the authority of God himself, which is broadly regarded as insane heresy by most other Christians in most of the world.
They’re idiot fascists to the core, and its like 30% of the country that is this way.
“they’re very low IQ.” “Stupid” “losers” all of these weak insults, and they never, ever give examples of such. “How so are they losers?” “What makes you say they’re stupid?” There’s never any push back. These are the things a bully says because they’re insecure and don’t know why. There’s no evidence or thought given to these insults.
How is the Pope weak on crime? Show me when the Pope said Iran should have nukes. This is the most basic push back. The media just lets him say whatever without questioning it.
Fascists don’t use language the way normal people do.
They don’t believe in ‘truth’ or ‘reality’ as most people understand it.
They believe that things just are the way they say they are, because they said so.
They primarily use rhetoric, and pathos.
Logos, logic, actually being correct or truthful… they only employ these things to the extent that they can aid either a rhetorical or emotional appeal.
Their entire strategy is ‘create a collective delusion / cult that appeals to the weak and gullible’.
Trying to evaluate the things they say, logically, is generally a waste of time.
The proper way to converse with a fascist is by breaking their jaw with a baseball bat, to disarm them of their weaponized nonsense projection machines.
Fascists believe language is a weapon, not a means of having a discussion.
Their real language is violence, so you must commincate with them in their native tongue, to succesfully convey any ‘meaning’ to them.
If you can read this you are a pope. Specticals, testicles, wallet, and watch. Ramen.
Ah yes, the holy pentacle, rofl.
His noodly appendage
My pope card is the first piece of ID I provide when asked by LEO. It hasn’t worked well. Yet!
Well obviously you need to give it to someone other than pope Leo, he’s the person least likely to accept it
How can he call himself a catholic while disrespecting his own religious leader
Because his real faith is money
I’m curious on what the MAGA boyz think of this sionist.
