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Gigabit goal “prejudicial” to satellite and wireless
Ah, so money changed hands. Got it.
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“We are eliminating the automotive safety standards because they are unfair to the dangerous cars”
actual clown logic
“Welcome to clown world! Please check your brain at the door and put on your white makeup!”
Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly what they did.
Well? What do you think DOGE did, in addition to grabbing up everyones’ data?
So they’re in favor of net neutrality?!
Sounds like Elron got involved and started whining
Turtles are great and all, but dammit I want my pipes fast.
so much for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people
When was that ever the case?
Yeah if you were white, owned property, and had a penis. Otherwise, no that was never the case.
Slower technologies like Starlink. Yup.
“Government abandons attempt to electrify lighting, says it’s unfair to flammable technologies”
In my brother’s neighborhood, more than half the houses have gas fueled porch lights. They burn 24/7, because no one wants to remember to turn the gas on/off with the sun or to light them every night. These are homes built in the last 40 years: the gas lights were a ‘quaint’ fad.
…OK but I used to work in a neighborhood where a bunch of people had actual, period exterior gaslights left over from the 19th century. They had been upgraded with digital timers and stuff. Automatic shut-off/restart. That’s ridiculous!
Jfc… That’s mental, how long have they had those?
I’d never be able to use that, I’d be too worried some shithead would manage to shatter the housing and start a fire
Believe it or not, there actually was an effort to block electric lighting. Because it was someone’s job to walk around the neighborhoods and light all of the streetlights. And “protect the jobs” has historically been a really awful argument against technology.
That was pretty cool job, though.
An economist visits a site where a canal is being dug. He asks the foreman why the workers are digging with shovels, when a diesel-powered excavator could do the work of a hundred men. The foreman explains that the canal is a jobs project.
The economist exclaims, “Why didn’t you say that it was a jobs project earlier?! These men should be digging with spoons!”
Has the argument been awful, or just the outcome?
I mean, when have those who lost their jobs due to technological obsolescence actually been looked after directly, rather than left to fend for themselves?
Historically speaking, new technologies tend to create more new jobs than they destroy.
There was a time that that statement applied to horses as well
Won’t anybody think of the blacksmiths and stable boys!
TIL horses worked as blacksmiths and stable boys
There are many heart breaking accounts from those days where horses were driven to prostitution and other desperate measures to make ends meet.
Alarm clocks are unfair to window knockers.
DEI tech.
Soon the US will be manufacturing external 28.8 kbps modems with a SCSI interface using steam powered tools.
Excuse me I prefer my pixels, packets, and kilobits delivered by horse drawn carriage thank you.
Ah yes. In Germany we call this “Technologieoffenheit” and do not consider internet speeds, but car’s.
There is still ISDN in the US and it’s still there to uphold artificial scarcity and price fixing. Broadband in the US is basically neutered to ensure that the ISPs can buy cheaper equipment and maintain high pricing.
It’s also why they wanted to remove network neutrality, so they also could gouge small data centres and make backroom deals with big tech giants.
I know you may hate the word “data centre”, but if the small ones can’t compete, say goodbye to any form of competition.
The word data centre is primarily a problem if its used in the context of AI.
Yeah, my daughter was complaining about data centers, and I pointed out she meant AI hypserscaler data centers, and that I work in a data center, a small old fashioned one that just runs internet and TV for people.
Infrastructure is important, and walking back from these gigabit targets is awful. There is no replacement for fiber. We all deserve to have access to fast internet.
But to yell at a cloud for a moment, if we’re being honest most people should not need gigabit. I know everyone is a gamer now, but let’s forget about bulk downloads. For normal browsing most people should not need much more than about 12mbps. 12 mbps is fast enough to have two 1080p h265 streams running concurrently. And yet, when you try to use the modern web at that speed, it’s a terrible experience because of all the adtech bullshit that gets crammed into every page. When I measured this Ars article it was 6.53MB. That is, to borrow a yardstick from a blogpost I read recently, long enough to fit 3 or 4 of the great Russian epics inside. It is bigger than the shareware version of DOOM, big enough to fit the entire python standard package library documentation. For one article.
Don’t let this cheapen the FCC being chickenshit and captured by specific perverse corporate interests, but publishers have sold us a bridge when it comes to the modern web. Web3 was supposed to fix all this with micropayments. I’d gladly pay whatever my paltry share of Ars’ CPM they expected to get out of my pageview, wouldn’t you? But cryptobros turned it into a get-rich-quick slopfest and then it died.
I remeber in the 90s deciding if it was worth removing line breaks in order to make my html on Geocities take up kbs less.
Most people hardly need internet at all, but that doesnt mean the option shouldnt be available. Working in IT, ive had architects in remote areas attempting to download revit files (sometimes many gigabytes in size) over a T1 connection (maximum 1.5mb/s). We convinced them to swap to a 4g connection after much back and forth.
Our internet needs are going up more and more over time, especially in the age of “vibe code and ship it”. There are gonna be massive webpages, high quality video, and large downloads more often. 1gbps isn’t that crazy of a goal to hit when my co-ax cable is putting out ~300 mbps.
Personally, just working from home, i have several instances where i need to download gigabyte+ files on company time, sometimes multiple times a day, but fiber isnt available yet. Add on my wife streaming something, guests phone connections, throttling, or just wifi interference and suddenly my 300mbps becomes something like 150 mbps or less, making an hour process 2 hours. Make it 5g and cloudy and now im fired for wasting company time.
The reality is that we’re a big nation, and big nations are expensive and have insane needs. 1gbps can be achieved over coax fairly easily with enough infrastructure, but ISPs haaaatttteeee spending money when they can just collect a check instead
Yes but some of us DO need it for our small businesses to run.
But to yell at a cloud for a moment, if we’re being honest most people should not need gigabit.
For now*
The way tech moves, this won’t be the case forever. And it’ll be better to have it already then need it and have to wait another decade for it.
I get your point but also that’s a bias borne from the industrial and technological revolutions, it’s entirely possible that we may already are seeing the slow down of large scale technological advances from every 2-4 years seeing major leaps to every ten years or more, hell I cant think of any major tech jumps over the last 10 years of particular note outside of AI (hurk) and battery/ green energy neither of which need faster internet.
640K ought to be enough for anybody.
He was wrong then, and you’re wrong that nobody needs gigabit. Stop handwringing for big corporations. This isn’t a difficult thing to do, it just makes companies slightly less money. America has some of the most expensive internet in the world, and some of the worst per mb.
Technologies have more protection against discrimination than people?
Companies have more voting power apparently
Corporations are people and dollars are speech 🙃
They can’t fire Mitch McConnell, it would be unfair to all the living senators.
Hot take:
SHOCKING!!!111 Worst person you know made a good point
The modern web fucking sucks. Although lots of things can be made to make sites suck harder even when there’s no gigabit in the country where most sites are [made|tested|dictated], it can’t keep going forever this way. It will hit some sort of wall eventually.
(offtopic but I love how “politics at lemmy dot world” isn’t world politics)
Did they get paid by a POTS modem maker? Is someone trying to resurrect US Robotics?
Nah, this is for Musk and Bezos because their satellites can’t get anywhere near gigabit.
Read the article…?
1: Starlink
2: All providers don’t have to upgrade all of their infrastructure and can sell a 50Mbps link as fast. Backhaul can be much smaller and they can over-sell 50Mbps to a lot more people in a neighborhood than 1000Mbps.
3: All that core backhaul can be reserved for flock camera cellular feeds and AI datacenter traffic without having to spend on further upgrades.
A general regression, brought to you by the Regressive party.
I doubt it, major shift with most carriers to get rid of old switching gear. New gear isn’t being made, old gear is expensive to maintain, and FFC has been changing a lot of rules around the service. Its now, near impossible to get new POTS traditional services anymore. Today it’s mostly POTS in a box; 5G wireless to a ATA device, with battery backup for survivability.
I’ve always wondered if an old modem would work through VOIP. But it might rely on some frequencies that aren’t encoded.
It will, ther just isn’t much call for it. I used to be in manged services and for some clients analog backup was a requirement, but you typically want those using a POTS line because they are less susceptible to power and network outages. FoIP is a thing, FAX shares the same basic principles, and there are protocols and codecs specifically tailored to provide better FAX transmission reliability.
Look up PCM, It’s pretty interesting if your into that sort of thing, and there is plenty of room to chase the rabbit.
