• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    they voted to leave and shelled like they’re gaza for voting wrong; so yes, the word fits.

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      You know that’s not actually how any of this works, right? If anyone in those regions wants to become a Russian citizen, they have every right to apply for immigration and move there…but they don’t get to take the land with them.

      Especially not at gunpoint, with the backing of a foreign invasion force.

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        2 months ago

        Actually as the people who live on that land they do get a greater say in what happens to it

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        The people living on a land, who were born on that land and whose ancestors worked to build up that land, have a right to their land and the right to stay on their land and the right to secede along with their land from a government that no longer represents them, wants to erase their history, forbid their language, separate them from their closest relatives, and force them to worship Nazis.

        Why should the people of the Donbass voluntarily ethnically cleanse themselves from their ancestral land just so that Nazis from Western Ukraine can claim it? You sound like a Zionist.

        To the people of the Donbass the real foreign invasion force is the one that came at gunpoint in 2014 from Kiev and started shelling them.

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            it goes to prove that it’s literally how things work and disproves your assertion:

            You know that’s not actually how any of this works, right? If anyone in those regions wants to become a Russian citizen, they have every right to apply for immigration and move there…but they don’t get to take the land with them.

            the texans didn’t move back to the united states.

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              Maybe I should have been more clear, then. That’s not how it works…anymore. We are supposed to be better than this. But, people like yourself always seem to make excuses for why stealing land and killing each other is fine, because other people also stole land and killed people in the past.

              I’m curious how that logic works for you?

              It’s genuinely shocking to me that anyone nowadays would actually use the concept of Manifest Destiny to make a point. Because it really doesn’t make the point you think it does.

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                1 month ago

                you’re great at moving goal posts – now that i show it that it is indeed how things work, you’ve shifted onto being morally correct – but atleast we can agree on that part.

                so i’ll play along: it was definately considered okay back then so when was the cutoff date for when it stopped because i have plenty of other examples like texas going all the way up until 2012 – 2 years before the ukrainians in the east peacefully and democratically voted to leave ukraine?

                funny enough, all of my examples were fostered by the same hegemony that’s currently pushing the ukrainians to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the epstein class as well. lol

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        you mean how the us has been bullying russia and backed a coup in ukraine to make it happen?

        yeah.