cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9388376
Tweto by https://x.com/gaijingirl2026/status/2092235861265924137
The bottom one is likely to destroy the child crushing machine by being inept. The top will keep it maintained for decades to come.
“I threw too many children in at the same time and now the gears are all gunked up :(”
“We should start a domestic education program allowing the working class to learn how to clean the gears for free if they spend 4 years rounding up kids to throw in there”.
It’s not about voting for the lesser evil, but against the worse one. The way the United States is structured, which influences the way its people think about voting and vice versa, you are given only two options when voting for president:
- Vote for the Democrat one
- Vote for the Republican one
But… you might think you’re clever and say “I should just vote for neither of them, nobody will stop me”. If your state has RCV then put your preferred candidate as a first pick and just place Democrat before Republican. Problem solved, no more strategic voting. Unfortunately, precious few states have adopted this for any elections, let alone the presidency.
In states without RCV, there are 3 equivalent cases from your perspective:
- Vote Republican: Increment their number by 1
- Overall effect +1 for Republicans
- Vote Democrat: Increment a threatening score by 1, thereby requiring Republicans to gain 1 more vote to win
- Overall effect -1 for Republicans
- Don’t vote or vote for a non threatening party/candidate
- Overall effect 0 for Republicans
Forgive me for assuming the reader wants to get Republicans (and Republican aligned Democrats) out of office. In this case, it is your responsibility to vote for the most threatening candidate. It’s a sick trick of game theory, which is why RCV is so important.
You really just gotta get out of the private space of who people vote for and do actual work that matters. Wasting your energy trying to get polite genocidaires elected is costing lives every day. You only have so much time. Vote the way you understand the system works, assume everyone else is as smart or smarter than you and they can figure out how to vote. And then spend the other 364 days of the year putting all this effort you want to put into vote mongering and put it into dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
Because the way this works is that there’s an orphan crushing machine and there are two parties who take turns operating the orphan crushing machine and we need all the help we can get dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
And when you spend all your effort screaming at the people who want to dismantle the orphan crushing machine that they should ALSO be sure they vote for the correct people to operate the orphan crushing machine, wait let me put it in your terms:
If you help us dismantle the orphan crushing machine, that’s -1 for the orphan crushers and +1 for the people fighting the orphan crushers
If you don’t help us dismantle the machine, that’s 0 for the orphan crushers
If you consume time and energy from other people who would otherwise be convinced to help us dismantle the orphan crushing machine, that -1 or more for the people fighting the orphan crushers and +1 or more for the orphan crushers.
It’s just the way game theory works out. Trust me. I’m a doctor of game theory.
Because the way this works is that there’s an orphan crushing machine and there are two parties who take turns operating the orphan crushing machine and we need all the help we can get dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
Damn that’s 🔥
Wasting your energy trying to get polite genocidaires elected is costing lives every day.
On the contrary, it helps save lives until the orphan cruising machine is dismantled. No one is saying just to vote lesser evil and do nothing else, they’re saying that voting for lesser events is one part of the larger effort.
Because the way this works is that there’s an orphan crushing machine and there are two parties who take turns operating the orphan crushing machine
The way this actually works is that they take turns operating one particular orphan crushing machine, but one party turns on a number of additional orphan crushing machines when it’s their turn.
And when you spend all your effort screaming at the people who want to dismantle the orphan crushing machine that they should ALSO be sure they vote for the correct people to operate the orphan crushing machine
No one is spending all their effort doing that. Some people spend some of their effort doing that, in order to counteract the efforts of other people who can’t seem to understand the difference between the people operating one orphan crushing machine, and the people operating several orphan crushing machines.
Until you actually have an actionable plan to dismantle the machines, or an electoral process which doesn’t make third parties spoilers, the optimal achievable outcome of voting is the minimization of machine operation. The operation of bi-partisan machines isn’t really relevant to the voting issue. Whoever has the greater machine operation is the outcome to avoid.
We agree that the goal is to dismantle orphan crushing machines. It’s much easier to dismantle machines while they are not running. Spending time and energy to try to get the lesser machine-operators instead of the greater machine-operators is a +1 to the machine-dismantlers, since now they have the opportunity to dismantle the idle machines.
The efforts outside voting are unaffected by voting for the lesser machine-operators. Not voting, or generally speaking voting third party, gives no benefit to the machine-dismantlers. Since, generally, the people who want to dismantle the machine would otherwise vote for the lesser machine-operators, discouraging that vote is a detriment to the machine-dismantlers; therefore fighting that discouragement is a benefit to the machine-dismantlers.
Game theory only works if you assign your values correctly.
Where does it end tho?
When do the machines get dismantled if it has to be perfect before it’s done?
The lesser evil people have no plans to do it. People are told they aren’t supposed to bring up the machines because that might mean it’s more likely that even more machines are brought online.
How many dem governments have those machines survived?
I responded to you elsewhere. You’re not choosing your side, you’re choosing your opponent. Between the two, I prefer the Democrats as my opponent. I should hope that most thinking leftists feel the same. The only reason to choose the Republicans is accelerationism, and ethically I can’t justify “What if we just sent the orphan crushing machine into overdrive so it overheats?”.
“What if we just sent the orphan crushing machine into overdrive so it overheats?”
Bad way of putting it, that would be preferable than Democrats maintaining said machine for way longer
ethically I can’t justify “What if we just sent the orphan crushing machine into overdrive so it overheats?”.
But you justify “we need to make sure the orphan crushing machine never overheats and can run indefinitely?”
I am bad at reading user names 😅
Game theory only works if you assign your values correctly.
Obama/Biden changed the policies, budget, headcount, and leaderships of DHS and ICE. They explicitly made it possible for ICE to be deployed in US cities. They appointed Tom Homan to lead it. They deported 3M people. Trump used the framework Obama/Biden put in place. He made Tom Homan is deportation czar in term 1. Biden took office next and did literally nothing to stop any of this from happening except for the fact that he chose not to use ICE the way it was able to be used, knowing full well what would happen on the next swing. Trump started term 2, brought Tom Homan back.
Numbers? Obama deported 3M. Biden deported 4.4M Trump has deported slightly less than 1M in term 1 and about the same number in this term so far. He might be on track to match Biden/Harris.
Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat just to impose more collective punishment on the citizens there. Obama/Clinton destroyed the country of Libya. Clinton literally said she laughed watching the video of the murder of 80-year-old Gaddafi when he was videotaped being sodomized by a bayonet.
You’re a fool if you think one party kills fewer orphans.
US economic sanctions are a bi-partisan consensus and they kill more children than wars do. Averaging 800k deaths per year, every year, for 50 years, without abatement. The Democrats every ounce as responsible as the Republicans. And of those 800k deaths, the most impacted are children, the sick, and the elderly.
It was Truman that saved 10k Nazis from facing trial, Truman that nuked Japan twice, Truman that oversaw the mass murder of 10% of the population in the Northern half of Korea, Truman that supported the fascist dictatorship in the Southern half of Korea that killed 100k civilians in political purges, and Truman who propped up Chiang Kai-Shek while he was fascist dictator in Taiwan and killed or disappeared 10k+ civilians in political purges.
It was LBJ who saw the most heinous crimes committed against Vietnam, building on what JFzk had started. It was LBJ who oversee the mass use of Agent Orange and napalm against civilians in Vietnam while the Vietnamese were fighting to expel their colonial oppressors. My Lai, Rolling Thunder, and “free fire” were all LBJ. It was LBJ that decided to make Laos a target and bumb their civilian infrastructure to stop the supply chains feeding the Vietnamese freedom fighters. It was LBJ that oversaw the US leadership of the Indonesian military dictatorship that killed a million people in political purges. It was LBJ who sent Marines to the Dominican Republic to ensure that the democratically elected president did not take his seat and installed a right-wing authoritarian.
Clinton: Yugoslavia, neoliberal destruction of Haiti’s agriculture, corrupt vulture capitalism of post-earthquake Haiti, Bill and Hillary with black house slaves in the Arkansas governor’s mansion, “superpredator” lies and the Crime Bill, blocking UN intervention in Rwanda, undoing the New Deal, undoing the financial protections that crashed the US economy in the 1920s which literally setup the exact mechanisms for the 2008 crisis.
You’re falling for the PR. The Democrats and the Republicans are collaborators. They are the good cop and the bad cop. They both work for the same department. You are convinced that the good cop is someone you should support. You think the good cop is somehow going to lead to better outcomes. You are wrong. And you need to stop trying to convince everyone else to go with the good cop. You need to join the group of people who have refused to support the good cop because they understand the game.
If you want better outcomes just look for the historical examples. Women’s Suffrage? Didn’t happen by voting. Civil Rights? Didn’t happen by voting. Gay rights? Didn’t happen by voting.
You are actively wasting your time fighting with people on the internet about this when you could be doing literally anything else to work on dismantling the orphan crushing machine. And no, you’re wrong that Republicans turn on more machines. They don’t. They use the exact same machine that the Democrats use. They built it together. They maintain it together. It’s a single machine.
Weird how none of the bluemaga people decided to engage with this comment. Surely their ideological framework, to which they cling so rigidly, is based on a sound understanding of history and they have an adequate response to this basic listing of events occurring under democrat leadership.
Then again this is the most important election and it was probably the parla- palar- parmesanian that made them do it.I’ve posted the similar litanies to BlueMAGA on lemmy for the better part of the year and they never have anything to say about it
The civil rights movement was absolutely a combination of voting and direct action. You don’t seem to understand, we’re not supporting the Democrats, we’re choosing the slower form of rot to minimize the damage caused while we actually organize direct action. I am doing my part, you know nothing about my own direct action. But voting still helps nudge things so that direct action is more effective. Doing both is better by far than giving lip service to the revolution which had been coming for over a century now, which we’re clearly no closer to actually implementing.
You are blind if you can’t see the extra Republican machines. This administration alone is ample evidence. Democrats didn’t have ICE executing people in the streets.
The civil rights movement was absolutely a combination of voting and direct action
The HIGHEST black voter turn out in any state during the civil rights movement was around 25% with most states below 10%. Voting did literally nothing. Besides, if you know your history, Nixon was just as motivated to make concessions to the civil rights movement as LBJ was. And remember, why LBJ was giving ground to the civil rights movement, he was ordering the murder of civilians on the other side of the world.
You don’t seem to understand, we’re not supporting the Democrats, we’re choosing the slower form of rot to minimize the damage caused while we actually organize direct action
Yeah, I understand your message. I just disagree that it has a basis in reality. Democrats do not slow the rot. Again, it was Clinton that setup the global financial crisis of 2008 and it was Obama that bailed out the corporations and left the average American to rot. Again, Clinton passed the Crime Bill that Biden championed, vastly increasing and accelerating the rot. Obama empowered DHS/ICE to deployed into American cities for enforcement, increasing the rot, and then proceeded to deport 3M people, increasing the rot. Biden/Harris deported over 4M, again increasing the rot. You are not operating in reality.
I am doing my part, you know nothing about my own direct action
Is it mobilizing voters? You seem to have no problem with talking about electoralism but not a word for direct action? Doubt.
voting still helps nudge things so that direct action is more effective
No. It doesn’t. And it never has. There’s no evidence of this in any of American electoral politics.
Doing both is better by far than giving lip service to the revolution which had been coming for over a century now, which we’re clearly no closer to actually implementing.
So how’s that direct action thing working out for you? Like I said, let everyone vote the way they’re going to vote. Again, most people are probably equally or better informed than you and they can figure out how to vote without you wasting your time telling people about the virtues of lesser evil voting, like we can’t figure it out. You don’t need to know how I vote. You can just shut up and talk about the things that will actually make a difference.
You are blind if you can’t see the extra Republican machines. This administration alone is ample evidence. Democrats didn’t have ICE executing people in the streets.
ICE executing people in the streets is fundamentally just police executing people in the streets. And yes, Democrats have police executing people in the streets all the fucking time. The fact that it’s this particular agency is, again, a creation of the Obama administration. Without Obama accelerating the fascism in this particular agency, Trump wouldn’t be able to use them this way. Literally. Voting for Obama created these conditions.
That’s why electoralism will never change anything. You need to give up on it. Everyone needs to just hold their own relationship to the vote and not waste any more than the few hours a year that it takes. Focus on actually saving lives, focus on educating people, not about how they need to vote, but about why voting won’t save them and why they need to do something else if they want change.
no, you dont understand gringo. i dont give a fuck if the politicians are twisted or not inside the empire, your fucking problem. democrats and republicans both have fucked my country, and others. they are the same to the eyes of the world. same racist, white supremacist, misogynous, rapists, murderous, traitors, liars, thieves, genocidal nazi pieces of shit.
It’s a little wild to tell someone they should spend this energy doing something about it instead of writing when you wrote more than them just to say it. It rings pretty hollow. Not saying this to tell you you’re right or wrong, just some constructive criticism. Stick to the substantial arguments if you really want to change minds.
It’s a little wild to tell someone they should spend this energy doing something about it instead of writing
That’s not what freagle said though. The argument wasn’t that jjj shouldn’t write or that they shouldn’t try to influence people, the argument was that they shouldn’t be wasting their time and energy trying to influence people to vote because voting is ultimately useless. Freagle never said that trying to influence people period is a waste. So no, what they said did not ring hollow and there was no hypocrisy in writing a long a comment explaining why it is a waste to try to get people to vote or to vote a certain way.
You either didn’t understand or deliberately mischaracterized what freagle was actually saying so you can’t claim it was just constructive criticism.
Ugh. This whole argument again. No friendo, what I did is not equivalent to what they did. What I did was spend the time to spread the information that helps my case that electoralism is a failure and that we must move beyond it. I provided evidence that most electoralists need to see so that they too can abandon the electoral path and join the rest of us in tearing it down.
What my opponent is doing is moralizing to try to get people to vote correctly and every character they write is in the service of this. I never said writing is bad. I said spending energy on convincing people of the electoral path is bad. Spending energy on convincing people against the electoral path is good.
You are repeating the same hollow rhetoric that if I disagree with the US fighting wars then I should disagree with Iran fighting wars, or that if I disagree with the master beating slaves then I should disagree with slaves beating the master.
I wasn’t even denouncing the core of your argument, it was purely the characterization you made of them. Everyone views their own opinions as the right ones, so “spend[ing] your effort screaming at the ones who want to dismantle the orphan crushing machine”(your exact words) is about as fair of a characterization as “beg the accellerationists to help reduce the amount of murder happening in general” for instance. I’m not saying that either one is the truth. I’m not saying you are wrong or adding my own view on the issue itself. I’m saying that I think you could make it more convincing by leaving that characterization out.
I’ll consider it. Thanks for the feedback
You’re welcome, and thanks for taking my words in good faith. Even if what I said doesn’t resonate with you, I hope you manage to have a good day.
“Heh, you claim my praxis is useless at best yet you use words to do it. Hypocrite much?”
Okay, you’re getting defensive in a way that’s kind of silly here
Did you mean to respond to somone else? I’ve been trying to go out of my way to say this isn’t a rebuttal to the argument. No one’s rhetoric is perfect, and even if someone’s advice doesn’t resonate with you there might be a kernel of something you can use to improve it in other ways.
So genocide joe good?
This entire post if what it’s like to be an Amerikan exceptionalist.
This is just so baby brained in its conception.
Maybe you should stop doing evil.
HELP! We tried this in Europe but the politicians kept on selling out to rich people as soon as (or even before) they got voted in! Feeling kinda alienated and class conscious atm what should we do now?
To be fair the conservative rapes the child before crushing it
Epstein was just as tight compadres with Bill Clinton.
True but republicans are constantly being arrested for pedophilia
is that… supposed to be an argument?
Just pointing out an observation
Americans are by far the most selfish, brutish, violent and evil people to ever exist. As long as they get their treats they are totally ok with murdering millions of people and destroying the ecosystem while lecturing you that they’re doing all they can. Shithole country for shithole people. Death to America.
After reading remarks from libs on Lemmy, I want to point out two things:
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No significant number of leftists would vote for a real estate mogul turned fascist gameshow host. If you believe otherwise, it’s likely because it makes thinking about the US political situation easier by giving you another illiberal fall guy.
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Voting in the US is a pastiche of democratic participation, made to look like we’ve been handed all we need to make the democracy machine go brrr. We revere it so much because it’s the best we’ve ever had, but other braver and more imaginative people have tried more direct, less capitalistic methods of democracy, usually before being crushed, libelled, bombed or couped by the US and its allies. If Americans ever find the backbone to collectively fight and make sacrifices for something better, future generations might have a chance of not growing up in the most grotesque, inhuman future imaginable. Libs can help with this, but you’re the only ones who can decide whether you put your efforts toward capitalism or democracy. They’re like oil and water.
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Ah, another Russian bot.
Certainly a person, I speak to them on a regular basis.
nah, im actually a chatbot nerd
Oh yes, because obviously anyone criticizing the democratic party for helping to maintain neo-colonial oppression and genocide is a Russian bot.
That was literally 85-95% of lemmy from 2023-2025.
How do you decide it’s a bot? It’s it because it says something you don’t like?
Man Russiagate has permanently fried the brains of all you liberals lmao
But do explain how they are a Russian bot.
Some say Rachel Maddow is teasing the release of some papers that are going to be released to this very day.
Seriously. The queen of political ASMR/ gooning/ ruined orgasm queen. She’ll get you close but she’ll never let you cum. Lotta heavy breathing and pregnant pauses.
Libertarians: I will have sex with this child. Then crush it due to no non-aggression pact.
You have to vote for them because another guy would crush the child even more.
Ah, so you’re a moderate.
Not wanting to commit genocide is a pretty moderate position, sure.
But you see, both sides bad. There’s no nuance.
“Both sides” its the same side dumbass.
Nuance my ass. Nuance in politics when mentioned by fool like you is akin to people screaming “let people enjoy things!” when someone dares say their Marvel slop sucks.
You rigidly support the democrats no matter what and you screech at any critique, no matter how correct. Yeah, seems real nuanced.Nuance isn’t just when you support genocide, but feel kinda bad about it. Nuance definitely isn’t when you reduce the modern capitalist oligarchy into a binary, with no other options. Real nuance is a discussion of abstaining from voting vs. Voting third party.
Yeah sure, so both sides are bad, Trump is equally bad as Bernie and Mamdami. Got it.
Glad you finally understand.
Like I said, no sense of nuance.
This is the problem we have on the left, people only want perfect allies and perfect representatives, and can never have anything that’s incremental or just ok. It’s like dealing with a spoiled princess, nothing is ever good enough.
“Oh hey this person wanted to make their city better so they ran for office” NO THAT’S BAD THEY ARE ALL BAD AND SHOULD BERN WITH ETERNAL BERNING!
If we keep playing purity politics we’ll also end up with nothing and no one.
Lmao talk about lack of nuance and then create this strawman
This is just straw, you didn’t even bait it
My god it’s even from Twitter
Here’s the non strawman version of the top panel:
“I will operate the foreign child crusher in a way which will perhaps lead to less foreign children being crushed. What’s that? Dismantle the child crusher? This is not politically feasible you should be more reasonable.”
Remember to add that no one cares about the child crusher when a democrat is in charge
It really needs to have the panels expanded. Each panel should also have a “domestic child crushing machine” and the D one would not be going and the R would be crushing away.
That’s way more accurate to the real world.
“It should clarify that the lives of foreign children don’t matter compared to domestic ones!”
The dems are also running a domestic child crusher. You people just don’t notice or care until a republican is in charge.
Look I’m not saying Dems are awesome, in fact I would say when it comes to foreign policy them and Republicans are pretty aligned. Behaving like there hasn’t been huge differences in policy, legislation, enforcement priorities, regulation, education and healthcare spending between Democratic and Republican majorities in Congress and/or President is insane though. Like just head in the sand ignoring reality levels of crazy.
Buddy, i live in California and vote left of demo when possible. The Dems here actually want the status quo of homeless children as long as property values keep going up. Insanity
Sweet. Ableism. Funny how you types resort to it so easily.
Behaving like there is some huge difference between them is what is “head in the sand crazy.” The reasons for this observation have been listed throughout this thread, yet oddly enough none of you people manage to engage with any of the many comments giving explicit examples, nor do you manage to engage with any of the comments detailing the worldview. Which is odd. Its almost like you’re just here to argue and dont actually care about this at all.
Or maybe you just can’t handle investigating your own ideology or the faulty notions you hold.
Free Palestine, Joe Biden and the Democratic party are guilty of genocide
How is it a strawman? Liberals will and do vote for a party operating the foreign child crusher, if that party has more decorum and civility that the other party that would operate the foreign child crusher
you didn’t even bait it
Idk, looking at the votes and comments i think i bait it pretty good
Hitler was considered lesser evil. So this comic makes even less sense.
But he wasn’t, it was the recently elected social democrat president Hindenburg who appointed Hitler as chancellor thus granting him his rise to power. The liberal society of the Weimar Republic viewed Hitler as more evil, but chose the “lesser evil” of SDP over the Communist Party’s candidate, who promptly appointed Hitler as chancellor.
Hindenburg hated the Social Democats, what are you talking about?
Oh, whoops. He was independent, supported by every liberal party including the socdems. Point still stands, though: lesser evil was voted in over greater evil, changing nothing and leading to Hitler anyhow. Oversimplification of history obv; corporate lobbying, false flag operations to blame the communists and the death of the president etc followed.
All the bureaucracy is suddenly smooth sailing when they want to bomb the fuck out of kids in the middle east, but all these weird rules and regulations are in the way of anything remotely challenging their interests.
Weird how democracy works that way. Almost like that’s the point!
So true lol. “Think about the long term consequences of raising wages by 1%!!!”
Gee, we’re so sorry, but we’d have to draft up a new bill and then vote on it and then in 1+ years when that bill doesn’t pass we will have to draft up a shittier one that still won’t pass
But the parlimtarian!
I see we’re back to the same posts that came up in the 2024 election. Tying to get people to not bother voting.
Which child crushing policitian will you vote for?
The one who supports trans rights :3
Like the right not to be subject to genocide and apartheid? Oh wait, I forgot that you don’t consider non-white people human.
I’m joking silly. I’m not white. All politicians are garbage. Fuck them all
If you say so. I’m not convinced
Are you talking about the one who said that trans people should “follow the law” when asked about their persecution? The one from the party that concluded it had to be less woke to win elections, after eating shit again? The one who has a long track record of doing nothing, at best, for trans people? The one who did nothing to defend roe v. Wade? That one? Yeah, what a great idea, surely signalling that you are completely fine with being thrown under the bus and persecuted (as long as there’s a guy with a combover opposing them) will not at all come back to bite you in the ass. How’s the poem go?
First they put children in tiny cages, but I didnt care because it was Obama who did it and besides I’m still sitting nifty, so who gives a shit.
Then they bombed trans people, but they were brown, so I’m still sitting pretty.
And thats it, im hunky dory.Who’s that?
Some old corrupt fucker with a smart PR team
Seriously @dismay3915@lemmy.world, which candidate that supports the rights of trans Palestinians did you vote for?
You really did put your brain in box didn’t you?
Damn, good one bro, you must have got so many updoots
I think they were being sarcastic?
Doesn’t look like it
I’ve not seen either of them do that. The best we’ve gotten is them pretending to support trans rights, then immediately backing down when they have the power to do something about it.
Communists critique of Democrats: Somehow both not at all relevant or to be taken into account and also the reason KKKopmala lost
Voting, at least at a national level, doesn’t change anything, because we are not ruled by politicians but by corporations who own those politicians. At a communal level it’s different, but that’s not the topic here. What it does though, is giving legitimacy to an illegitimate system. If 80% of people would not vote, the system would quicky start to have a legitimacy crisis.
Why does the system need your sense of its legitimacy
A system only really functions as long as it’s subjects perceive it as legitimate. Once you lose legitimacy, people start taking action.
It doesn’t need my sense of legitimacy but if 80% of people say no it will have a problem justifying itself.
Why does it need to justify itself? What do you think happens when it does not?
It would be nice to find out, seeing as how the current strategy of voting blue no matter what very observably leads to genocide and less and less differences between the two parties.
Is this some kind of ploy to try and find some “Voting is always good” counter point, that voting in and of itself is democracy and having that is better then nothing? Which is why you seem to be implying that the system doesn’t need to justify itself, that if the system didn’t do that it would still function and people would still participate, because it is, after all, “Democracy”?
Quit beating around the bush and just say what you mean instead of being a coy annoyance.
I don’t mean anything yet. I’m trying to find out what the system being “justified” functionally does, from your perspective. From my perspective you’re being vague, I’m trying to find my way through the bush here, not beat around it.
Can you point out where the comic suggests that you shouldn’t bother voting? Because I must have missed that part.
Are you stupid
Is there more than two parties in the US?
Functionally not, but voting third party is at least better than not voting
Alright, so you can vote for someone other than the orphan crushers. Weird how you pretended like that wasn’t a possibility.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats. It is possible that in the long run it could be more effective, though that has not yet been proven.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats.
Has it? Did the orphan crushing machine even slow down a little bit when democrats were in power? Because I’m pretty sure that it didn’t.
Doing something that hasnt been done has not been proven to do anything because it hasnt been done. Voting democrat has only accelerated the orphan-killer, so I struggle to see how legitimising the people who want to kill orphans could in any way be a more effective way to stop them than doing the bare minimum of not legitimising them.
Are you? Can you at least try to be a little articulate? Or is that beyond your obviously limited capabilities?
You forgot the most important part, which is when the mayonated individual gets a bit of blood spattered on its clothing from the foreign child crusher, which makes it 100000000x angrier at foreigners than it already is.
I see some libs are angry with this. Lmao (Republicans can also go fuck themselves)
Not sure if I am angry, or just resigned that we will always have Trump like figures in office so that some voters can feel morally superior.
I personally think the moral thing to do it vote for the first comic if that is the choice on election day. In reality no 2028 Dem candidate will be like Biden on foreign affairs, and there will be much more accountability if Dems simply take the House and Senate compared with zero accountability on foreign affairs today.
In reality no 2028 Dem candidate will be like Biden on foreign affairs.
Kamala ran on having the same policies as Biden. What makes you think the next one won’t?
Kamala? The candidate picked by Biden and no one else had the same views as Biden? Wow!
Yeah, Kamala, the candidate who had the entire DNC apparatus working all the tricks of the trade in order for her to get the nomination, that one. What makes you think the next candidate won’t also be a ghoul?
Because no one could possibly be as poor a candidate as Kamala. You make it sound like a neoliberal conspiracy…what I remember was desperation and incompetence.
Once again. Your reasoning is why I am fully prepared to have Trump’s entire family run the country for a couple decades, give Israel open reign to do whatever they want, and for a bunch of non-voters pretending to care about Palestinians continue to sabotage themselves.
70% of Democrats want to stop funding Israel. Trump fights Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars for him. But they are exactly the same.
Newsome would be as bad as Kamala
How can you compare anyone to Kamala, a person who has never held real power. I can’t tell you if Newsome would be better than a fictional Kamala presidency, but I can say with certainty: millions of lives a year throughout the world would be saved if Newsome was president instead of Trump. But somehow they are all the same. It’s a ridiculous premise.
Because no one could possibly be as poor a candidate as Kamala.
Which dems have sufficiently different positions on foreign affairs?
70% of Democrats want to stop funding Israel. Trump fights Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars for him. But they are exactly the same.
USian dems have always been zionist, and they were no less enthusiastic about this than the current USian administration.
What are these mythical dems that supposedly want to stop applying Pissrael?I have no idea what your cute nicknames are referring to. Sufficiently different opinion? Literally everyone who didn’t want to go to war for Benjamin Netanyahu…which is everyone but Trump. Or how about anyone not dumb enough to send their son in law to solve middle easy peace. Night and day difference to anyone paying attention.
There’s plenty of high-ranking, influential, democrats that could be as influential as Kamala, why are you acting like Biden '20 and Kamala '24 was some fluke? And why are you singling out Netanyahu? Its not just these three people, its quite obviously the whole structure.
Republicans are libs too, in that they too support the continuation of the child crusher that is capitalist hegemony. Leftism begins with anti-capitalism. The US has two pro-capitalist parties with different branding, much like Pepsi and Coke.
The US has two pro-capitalist parties with different branding, much like Pepsi and Coke.
Sorry, but to have them understand better it’s better to have them understand in burger talk
So imagine Mcdonalds and Burger King…
No no, Pepsi and Coke is an amazing analogy. Red vs. Blue, hundreds of years of brand loyalty, people say shit like “we’re a Pepsi household”, both are really not good for you. Only meaningful difference is the color on the label.
Comparing McDonald’s to Burgerking is just crazy talk because everyone I’ve ever met will agree that Burger King sucks. But start them on Pepsi VS. Coke? You might start a fight.
No no, Pepsi and Coke is an amazing analogy. Red vs. Blue, hundreds of years of brand loyalty, people say shit like “we’re a Pepsi household”, both are really not good for you.
ok, that’s a good argument lol, can’t argue against that.
Republicans are just more honest about their immorality and self-centered sociopathy. 🤷♂️
With themselves, even. Republicans let it out, liberals make a perverse game of almost never letting it out.
Remember kids, you’re either supporting the lesser evil or the greater evil, and supporting the lesser evil is bad. Support greater evil!
Remember kids, youre either supporting evil or evil with a happy face and there’s no other options, absolutely none at all, so you might as well vote for evil with a happy face - It’s not like we have done this for decades and the strategy has lead us to a point where the only difference is whether or not the senile maniac in charge wears self-tanner or not.
Yep. That’s pretty much an accurate assessment.
There is no viable alternative, and your choices are the big evil or the little evil. You can either vote for the little evil or accept the big evil!
You’re right there’s only two parties in the us and you have to vote for one of them, otherwise you get shot. And thats the only things that are possible for you to do.
Guess we just have to walk down this road until the lesser evil party is also goose-stepping on your neck and then I gotta walk all alone. I’ll walk by the cage in which they keep you and tell you I am real sad about it, but I had to do it because the other party was less cordial. Then ill go have brunch with whoevers left in the electoral hellscape we have created by inchworming towards a completely avoidable Armageddon if we had only had spine. But we dont, we’ve got mimosas instead.There is no viable alternative, and your choices are the big evil or the little evil. You can either vote for the little evil or accept the big evil!
There is a viable alternative, it’s called organizing and overthrowing your damn government.
Cool. Do it! I’ll join ya.
Tell me where you live and I’ll tell you three orgs you can join this instant. You could figure it out yourself too, but I dont mind doing the googling for you.
That’s a lot of work tho, think of all the missed brunches.
You fed the little evil for decades until it grew big enough to eclipse humanity’s future.
Do you even listen to yourself? lol
Given a choice between the lesser evil and the greater evil, I pick lesser evil.
Why, would you pick the greater evil?
Why even tolerate that kind of system? At that point, burn it all down.
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country. And Trump, being incompetent as he is, is actually making the system collapse which is in fact a huge benefit to the rest of the world (and the rest of the world’s population is fucking substantially more than Amerika)
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country.
Don’t forget inside our country too!
Because it is.
I would also like to have a unicorn that can fly me to Pluto with a single fart. Until then though, I get to pick between the lesser and the greater evil.
Based on your last paragraph, it seems that you prefer the greater evil. That checks out, “both sides” bullshit is pretty universally pushed by Republicans.
Based on your last paragraph, it seems that you prefer the greater evil. That checks out, “both sides” bullshit is pretty universally pushed by Republicans.
Based on your posts, it seems you don’t care about genocide and destroying countries as long as you get your treats. That’s “lesser evil” for you.
Well, my choices are less genocide or more genocide, and I pick slightly less genocide.
How did not electing harris work out for Gaza? Still rubble? Shame. I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestine, lol.
How did not electing harris work out for Gaza? Still rubble? Shame. I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestine, lol.
Wow, look at that, a scratched liberal. I love how you people get smug about genocide. You fucking monster.
Only fascists like you will consider genocide a bipartisan issue. Go fuck yourself.
Hey wasn’t it Joe Biden who was a fervent supporter of Israel while he was pretending he wasn’t? What was it Kamala said about him? Was it something about she would have done as he did? Damn that’s crazy, good things all those missiles and guns and bullets and money didnt work until Trump came into power.
I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestines
You’re right about one thing. Harris is part of the right wing.
