I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It’s not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.
Unless you’re upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the ‘bad’ capitalists? I think that’s pretty self evident but I’d be happy to argue the merits.
The boxes shouldn’t exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a “liberal” because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I’m wrong about what I believe because “you’re a liberal!!” Which I’m not, insofar as how they mean it. And that’s the problem.
To continue the analogy. You say you’re putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I’d compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you’re shoving them into the boxes just for that. It’s all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren’t evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It’s actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It’s exactly what you’d want if you’re a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.
I haven’t accused you of fitting the label bud, you’ve taken thay upon yourself. The point is still that a particular type of political identity tends to intentionally single out the “bad” billionaires as the problem, while intentionally disregarding the systemic reasons for the existence of those billionaires.
If we don’t agree on what the underlying problem is (let alone agree on what needs to be done about it), then we are absolutely not in alignment. To the extent that we agree on anything, we would still fundamentally disagree on which of those things democrats need to address to win an election.
Crying about leftists making that distinction doesnt do anything to disabuse them of the notion that you’re a bad faith shitlib (notice the third person there) trying to dissuade them of their convictions in favor of what you personally consider “reasonable”
You kind of confirmed everything harder than my wildest dreams could’ve imagined. Also we’re only talking right now because you decried “libs” which you’re applying to a fuckton of people whose views you don’t know or understand. Thanks for the validation.
Personally I think putting people into boxes based on almost nothing is toxic but maybe that’s just me being a sHiTlIb
Yep sure is
I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It’s not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.
Unless you’re upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the ‘bad’ capitalists? I think that’s pretty self evident but I’d be happy to argue the merits.
The boxes shouldn’t exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a “liberal” because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I’m wrong about what I believe because “you’re a liberal!!” Which I’m not, insofar as how they mean it. And that’s the problem.
To continue the analogy. You say you’re putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I’d compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you’re shoving them into the boxes just for that. It’s all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren’t evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It’s actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It’s exactly what you’d want if you’re a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.
I haven’t accused you of fitting the label bud, you’ve taken thay upon yourself. The point is still that a particular type of political identity tends to intentionally single out the “bad” billionaires as the problem, while intentionally disregarding the systemic reasons for the existence of those billionaires.
If we don’t agree on what the underlying problem is (let alone agree on what needs to be done about it), then we are absolutely not in alignment. To the extent that we agree on anything, we would still fundamentally disagree on which of those things democrats need to address to win an election.
Crying about leftists making that distinction doesnt do anything to disabuse them of the notion that you’re a bad faith shitlib (notice the third person there) trying to dissuade them of their convictions in favor of what you personally consider “reasonable”
You kind of confirmed everything harder than my wildest dreams could’ve imagined. Also we’re only talking right now because you decried “libs” which you’re applying to a fuckton of people whose views you don’t know or understand. Thanks for the validation.