if its just water boiling in a pot,can you just put a Turbine above the pot and use the steam to spin the Turbine?
What’s the worst that could happen?
There are a lot of options, but water works, is cheap as hell, and spills aren’t much of an issue.
Nestle & Dupont show up in this hell and Frank Herbert Daemons out their shit discard for dope that 5-MEO-DMT was only alluding to.
They have (had?) these across the California border from Vegas. Bright as fuck, you could see them dozens of miles away when flying in on a plane, but couldn’t look directly at them.
Ivanpah Solar Power Facility and the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project.
Looks like the first is still producing power, but the electricity being generated ended up being much costlier than photovoltaic panels (since they didn’t anticipate they would become so cheap back when it was being constructed) and the people running it want to shut it down. And the latter was shut down after the company went bankrupt twice.
Physicists just looove a hot shower
That’s the reason why all electricity generation boils down to hot water.
It turns out boiling water is a really good idea.
Turbine go brr
Sahara?
Don’t we try this every few decades and realize it’s not as great as it seems? There’s one of these in the American Southwest that wasn’t worth the trouble to operate.
In terms of badass things to build your civilisation around, though, every single bit of me wants to live in a city constructed around one of these bad boys.
Hell yeah I’ll get in a parade to worship one of those things, they’re insanely fucking cool.
The only problem being you shouldn’t look directly at it…
Can’t look directly at the sun either, people worship the sun…
Well yeah, just pointing out a slight QOL issue. There’s good reasons why we tend not to build light sources as bright as the sun.
Are we against boiling water only because it is old? Because if that is the only problem and we are ok with reliability and efficiency than i will take old
It’s more that when you look at history and technological progress, and our (millenial’s) own view on technological progress, the current stagnation and the permeation of said stagnation is a pain point. Every time we look at the news, it’s something going fucking wrong, and never delivering on the promise of a better , brighter future.
We saw computers go from 100s of Mhz to 3 ghz ish and just get fucking stuck there. From 16 meg to 64 gigs, and now we can’t buy any ram. We had touch interfaces being able to show you an arbitary interface and instead of innovation, we got swiping through stupid videos. We look through the history we didn’t live through, and see that in the 20th century, we went through flight and rockets to the fucking moon and then nothing. We have a rocket going to the moon with people in it again for the first time since the 70s, and they aren’t even doing anything new, just flying around. We expected there to be fucking bases on MARS by the time we got to the distant year of TWO THOUSAND AND TWENTY SIX.
Even now, when we’re coming to harvesting power from the sun, in a seemingly new way (focusing it with mirrors onto salt) it’s just going to be the same shit, nothing new, no innovation. Just put the hot rock into water, and harvest it through steam power as if it’s the fucking 1800s.
Also, it has a light relation to the evolution inevitably creating crabs once again meme of Carcinisation.
Another way to look at it is comparing water to electricity itself. No one is complaining that going from the electric light bulb to vacuum tube logic gates to semiconducter logic gates to q-bit logic gates is just “using physics to direct electrons again”.
Boiling water is just the layer 1 physical transport, all the cool stuff is happening at layers 2-7. The real mind blowing breakthrough would be if they finally did something to fix layer 8, but I ain’t holding my breath.
semiconducter logic gates to q-bit logic gates is just “using physics to direct electrons again”.
I mean, even if they start getting quantum programming off the ground, no one is going to be able to afford the fucking computers. We can’t even afford non quantum computers anymore.
Boiling water is just the layer 1 physical transport, all the cool stuff is happening at layers 2-7. The real mind blowing breakthrough would be if they finally did something to fix layer 8
I don’t understand this layer stuff
Computer networking has the OSI model which I think is the analogy: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
I had no idea there was a simple Wikipedia! I love these guys and am glad I’d donated when asked those times…
but those layers go to 7… layer 8?
Layer 8 is colloquially the User, as that is the next “layer” up above the application. Only really used in a troubleshooting context indicating where the issue took place, it’s the networking equivalent for an PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). For this analogy, layer 8 would probably be physics itself though.
I felt the OSI model was pretty relevant because while speeds and latency has improved astronomically, it is all still run off of the Ethernet framework and the humble copper twisted pair and fiber optic cable aren’t really substantively different than they were in the 70s.
Great comment!
I’m optimistic in the space of biology and biotechnology though. People are doing actual SciFi shit right now. We’ve got CAR-T tech, CRISPR that’s trivial to deploy, monoclonal antibodies, mRNA tech, microbiome science, DNA sequencing that is mind-blowingly good, large scale computational analysis and machine learning that’s decoding the noise of our genomes, rapid detection of pathogens with a MALDI-TOF, to just name a few.
It’s an insane time in biology right now, and it’s the current frontier along with computer science/ML.
Its more a commentary that most “new electricity source!!! Amazing!” Is a heat source thats boiling water to turbines which isnt a new method, its a new source of heat. So more a complaint about sensational headlines about electricity
It’s so crazy that we’ve found like six different ways to use rocks to boil water. You’d think there’d just be two or three
I’m gonna need help identifying all of them. So far I have burn them, smush glowing ones together, and reflect radiation with them.
- Coal. Set it on fire, use fire to boil water
- Geothermal. Go down where the rocks are hot, use hot rocks to boil water.
- Nuclear. Magic rocks get hot all by themselves. Use them to boil water.
- Photovoltaics. Shape rocks into solar panels, use solar panels to power stove to boil water.
- Concentrated solar. Use mirrors to reflect sunlight onto salt (a rock). Boil water with hot salt.
- Put water in a glass tube. Use mercury (which comes from a rock) to draw a vacuum. Water boils at room temp under a vacuum.
- Lob a space rock at the planet. Space rock vaporizes everything in a 100 mile radius, including water.
I’m sure we can think of more
Dam. Stack rocks to block water, use leaking water to turn propeller.
Ohhh right that makes sense. I was only thinking of ways to use rocks to boil water to make electricity. So I missed geothermal and disregarded photovoltaics.
It’s going to be boiling water again… Isn’t it?
Must be the water
I mean, is there a more efficient way to take raw energy and spin a turbine with it?
The issue is more the cost. For this you need lots of mirrors and a tower. Solar panels are just cheaper.
This has the benefit of not needing batteries since the molten salt stays hot long after the sun is down.
Well molten salt batteries are a thing, I’m presuming this is to buffer the output of the solar and that the losses were deemed acceptable given the renewable nature of this.
Yeah, you can store the molten salt and its heat for when it’s needed even at night. But it is used to drive a turbine hehe
Supercritical CO2 is entering the chat
Compressed air…turbines still going burr this whole time! Gravity pumping… Turbines!
It’s just used to scroll social media again isn’t it?
Porn.
It’s technically illegal in China, but I don’t know how illegal.
not illegal enough to stop it from being posted all over 小红书 that’s for damn sure.
I’m not complaining, it’s great.
