will it be usable on LineageOS? could it help with RCS support on linux?
As a basic sms user, is RCS the reason my conversations now sometimes get flooded with messages like, “so-and-so loved this”?
Quik, an open source SMS app on FDroid, handles this already without needing a specific OSes RCS.
Unless there is something fundamental thats wrong with Quik and its development, I dont see why one would be excited about another vendor specific solution. Quik works on any degoogled android, not just Graphene.
I might try Quik again at some point, but to be honest I don’t care enough about sms messaging apps to go beyond the default one usually. I think I remember I stopped using Quik because at least at the time it didn’t have link previews, which is a hell of a lot more convenient to me than emoji react buttons.
If you’re on Android, the Textra app handles most of the emojis on messages without needing RCS. Sadly it still doesn’t work with reactions to images yet.
Looks like scamware, only available on Play Store, and it doesn’t look like it’s open-source. I wouldn’t go near that.
Why? You aren’t confortable with a random guy developing an app having access to your conversations or to your 2FA codes from your bank?
TBF I used it for a couple of years, tho I don’t anymore. It’s a good app. Didn’t get robbed or murdered.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! I’ve been busy, ok?!? Now if you could stop moving, I can’t aim!!
Textra was the go-to SMS app for quite a while in the enthusiast community. I don’t know what happened to it in the last few years though.
Textra claims Google is the reason they don’t have RCS support, something along the lines of locked out of the protocol?
RCS is not an open protocol. Never was. Otherwise every other SMS app would have already implemented it.
As a rule, I don’t use proprietary software unless I have to. So from my perspective it may as well not exist.
Yup
Please, god
Aw helllllllll yeah 😎
Is RCS hosted by the carriers? If not, how to make the end run around Google?
Some carriers do, some never did, and some did but gave up. In the end if they want wide deliverability they’ll have to connect to Google’s hubs (servers).
It is annoying that Google doesn’t provide an API for RCS as they do for SMS and MMS.
Only system apps can offer RCS support, so there has been essentially no 3rd party apps for it, just Google’s and from a few OEMs like Samsung
And Samsung gave up.
Good. Everything Google touches needs to be forked.
Fork Google
We keep trying, but the courts are ok with monopolies.
They suddenly care about monopolies whenever a major competitor threatens to shift the balance of the market by providing alternatives…
Go fork yourself
Goggle!
Lougle! If you get that reference lol
fork it right out the ass
I hope it’s functionally installable on other versions of android
I read installable and instable, I was like 🫠
Everything they make is open source, so even if they don’t officially support it, someone else will probably fork it and upload it somewhere.
I’m sure it will install, but if it needs some system level thing it won’t actually work. It depends how they implement it.
Nah, it would be insecure (still more secure than defaults and way too secure for most users)
I hope it can finally bring this piece of shit messaging protocol to Linux phones so my friends and family know when I read a message
You can always use Waydroid
If you phone is X:
https://github.com/1999AZZAR/use-waydroid-on-x11#installing-a-nested-wayland-compositor
The waydroid devs said not to use way droid for anything security related. This is bad advice.
I’m not seeing that anywhere, got a link?
you do realise that rcs only works on unrooted stock google-certified android with a locked bootloader? that’t the whole reason grapheneos is making their own FOSS implementation
rcs only works on unrooted stock google-certified android with a locked bootloader
Uh no? It literally works on GrapheneOS. https://grapheneos.org/usage#rcs
I think you’re confusing this with Google Pay, which only works on Google-certified systems.
Just move them to signal :)
i can barely get them to move off of telegram 🥀️
My immediate family is on signal, and has been for a while, my parents and my sibling are now on signal which is nice!
I have a few others I communicate with often I wish I could get them over because I hate using sms, even rcs.
2 weeks now on Graphene. This is what a phone OS should be, simple, boring, juste the basics without a shit-ton of bloatware and spying crap.
This is what a phone OS should be
Quite literally how my wife puts it. She’s been using Graphene on a Pixel 9 Pro XL for a few months now. Even with the hurdles of moving to an entirely different platform and the weirdness that comes with the extra security (not playing nice with some services), she vastly prefers it over her previous Apple stuff, to the point she wants me to wipe MacOS off of her iMac and install Linux.
This has been available since forever, though. Cyanogenmod/LineageOS was the biggest. Oneplus followed along and I love my OP15, though that’s coming to a bitter end
My pixel 7 broke but am still getting a OP15 becasue I can’t stand google shit anymore, even paid an $150 for it. I figure the hardware isnt going to get better and OP15 is probably the best its gonna get for a few years anyways.
Insane that google can sell such an inferior product for the same or greater price.
So sad that OP15 wont get a reboot. These phones are the last bit of the pre-surveillance era.
So sad that OP15 wont get a reboot.
Why would it? It just came out less than a year ago.
I have high hopes for the new Motorola line. They also worked with Graphene to become even more compliant than Pixels.
Pixel 11 made itself less compliant than its predecessor so GrapheneOS won’t support it.
Cyanogenmod and LineageOS have always felt like hacks upon hacks and always had something broken. While I have my gripes with GOS it’s truly the first time since I have had a custom ROM that just works through and through.
Lineage pales in comparison to what cyanogenmod was
Having used both extensively, what? I’ve seen very little difference between the two, and if anything Lineage has become more refined and stable compared to Cyanogen over the years.
The CM theme manager alone was leagues better than anything Lineage is doing these days. CM enabled things like 720p recording on Nexus One, before the stock camera. Hacked in multitouch on devices that didn’t properly support it. Features like the camera flashlight we take for granted today. The notification shade quick menus. Hell the majority of the android UI/UX was pioneered on Cyanogenmod, it’s actually insane how much customizability and custom features that were available. Then it got gobbled up by AOSP and/or PixelOS and dumbed down for end users. Remember touchwiz? There’s a reason Cyanogen got picked up by Samsung. Their android builds are actually good now. To the point that I prefer a lot of their UX flows over stock. If you told me that in 2013 I would have laughed in your face.
I daily drove Lineage for 2 years and honestly couldn’t name a single feature it provided me other than root access and failing Google’s play integrity checks + breaking my tap to pay.
It kind of sounds like you looked up a wikipedia article about Cyanogenmod looking for any claimed feature to try to make it sound like it’s better. Neverminding how dubious and revisionist your claims are (apps were doing camera flashlight long before Cyan, and using any of them was a bad idea because they’d burn the light out, for instance).
None of that matters, because what it comes down to is that Cyanogenmod doesn’t exist anymore. It was abandoned, and at least Lineage is something I can use now. It’s one of the few options still around that allows me some relative piece of mind knowing my devices are free of spyware, and it continues getting ported to more devices than pretty much any other Android based system.
Also, I have a Samsung phone. Their UX sucks, way too bloated and messy.
Lineage was forked from the remains of CM. Without Lineage, CM would have died and faded from memory already.
Lol, lineage did nothing to stop that
Ok?
Sure. OxygenOS was also forked from Cyanogen, but OnePlus ended up adding their own UI and (opt-in) apps.
Where will you go after 1+?
I’m considering the new Motorola line, but I have no clue
yooo! while i wait for mobile linux to be realistic for my device this is a win
Hopefully this work is able to be used to help further that as well
This project seems to be promising for providing a true mobile Linux experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otMoX0-PYp8
Wow. I had not heard of this device until now! Seems to have a passionate team behind it. I will definitely be watching this one. Thanks for sharing!
I like how the one comment on that article is a guy baselessly saying that RCS is an open standard.
It’s open as BGP. Public documentation, nobody will connect to you if you’re a nobody.
Open standard doesn’t mean implementations are wide open to use.
A quick search shows that it is technically true, though…?
bro trust me, its one more msg app, it is gonna solve everything, just one more bro
RCS is a protocol, not an app
Just one more protocol extension bro it’s gonna fix everything
I’ve had my GV number as my primary for ~16 years. I’ve been on grapheneos for about a year now. Maybe I should actually pull the trigger and migrate my number to my provider and finally get RCS. All the better if GrapheneOS provides native support.
Yep, I always laugh when I think that Google managed to successfully bully Apple into supporting RCS, yet Googles own service, Google Voice, doesn’t!
I’m in this same boat… FOMO is hitting me hard.
I think GV is the heaviest anchor holding me to Google right now… :-\
I’m not sure you’d have to? You should be able to just download the app and register your # and they’ll just start coming.
This would be great. Definitely one of the few missing features.
For those who got too excited by the title: read the original messages from the GrapheneOS. RCS de-facto is not an open technology, there’s a massive amount of work and multiple steps are needed to get anywhere near the proper independent implementation. It’s gonna be amazing if the GrapheneOS team pulls it off, but don’t get too excited about the release dates and its availability for other systems (e.g. Linux).
To be honest, I’d rather they use the effort elsewhere (as a very happy gOS user). The number of people on gOS who wouldn’t prefer Signal (without phone number rego) / Threema etc. is probably vanishingly small, but that takes going up against the incumbents with heavy resistance.
There’s only so many irons you can keep in the fire. That said, gOS devs (sans drama) are freaking awesome, and seems to keep growing in number, if they can pull it off it will be a true coup.
That’s true on one hand, but on the other there are also family and friends with who we still want/need to communicate via the “normies” protocols, and it’s better to do it without explicit spyware on your phone (aka Play Services or Whatsapp). So yeah, it’s an absolutely ungrateful work what they’re doing, but huge thanks to them for that.
