Can I get a smug lecture on how you’re choosing the third, disconnected track?
I would try, but it wouldn’t be as smug as this meme.
If there isn’t a party I can tolerate in the next UK election I will draw a giant knob on the ballot paper in disrespect of the shit options.
Instead of not voting, spoil your ballot. Reject this shit. Show that you want to vote and that none of the options presented are worth voting for.
Or vote third party? Is that an option? (Likely unviable, yes, but if they’re wasting their votes already, might as well compost them)
That is what I normally do but they don’t always run everywhere
A probably stupid idea I thought of is vote swapping (e.g. someone in a deep red state who wants their blue vote to matter and someone in a swing/blue state who wants to vote green without splitting their state’s vote swapping who they vote for and both benefitting)
Instead of not voting, spoil your ballot. Reject this shit. Show that you want to vote and that none of the options presented are worth voting for.
Many of our fellow lemms just can’t be bothered to do that. Can’t vote our way crew has some points, but the fact they aren’t willing to vote in primaries or spoil even means they are also not credible for higher level protests.
The truth of the matter, as it’s often the way, it’s there’s nuances
- If you’re in a blue safe seat - vote third
- If you’re in a swing state - vote blue no matter who
- If you’re in a red state - vote blue no matter who
This is the way. As a voter it often feels like your vote doesnt matter. But the thing is focus on local elections. Vote in every election your allowed. Especially those off season elections have low turnout, and your vote matters much more. This is how you get demsoc candidates into positions of influence who can work their way up.
The republican party is full on fasc. No matter where you are dont vote for them. Make the red states have to cheat so obviously that the courts have to get involved. Swing states vote blue, but if you were voting in the local elections, and primaries theres a good chance your blue candidate isnt a centrist. If your in a solid blue state vote for the third party to show the centrist dems that you dont want a centrist, and that their hold is precarious. If youre lucky to have a leftist candidate on the ballot in a blue state vote for them.
This is the best way to tell the party how to win. They will ignore you, and they will fight you. But if their base votes hard left consistently they have to listen, or they lose to leftists.
Oh man. Trans people, gay people, Mexicans, women, black people, and Pakistanis(???) are all getting murdered by the hundreds of thousands and their children are getting their limbs blown off by the military? Fuck me.
It’s insanely fucking embarrassing how you portray the Palestinian struggle on the same level as what queer people are experiencing. No wonder you’re a Democrat. When did you stop supporting Graham Platner?
You heard it here! Queer people’s problems DO NOT matter because Palestinians have it worse. This 12 day old .ml account supports the GOP. That’s a fact
“Genocide is okay as long as it’s not happening to meeee” - You
Good thing I didn’t say anything like that.
There is always the secret option!
DEJA VU
You are in the trolley supporting genocide the mother of all crimes
In actuality the only difference would be the color on the tracks.
Completely false bad faith take. Hello Russian troll
Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Is A Foreigner and other racist conspiracy-psychosis for the liberal mind
There weren’t even enough third party votes in total that could have swayed the election for Kamala.
Why are you wasting energy punching left?
Grow up
Persuading people to vote 3rd party is just one piece of the puzzle. Some will vote 3rd, others stay home and some morons can be convinced to vote for the pedophile party. It adds up.
3rd parties are also convenient in sewing doubt in the D candidate. If you show people there’s an obscure party that will offer world peace and free healthcare, D voters will be disappointed in their candidate, but the R voters don’t even hear the message.
The US election system is complete garbage, but you have to play with the D or R rules.
The US election system is complete garbage, but you have to play with the D or R rules.
You don’t have to at all. And the line of reasoning that makes someone vote for democrats despite their many many many issues, is a line of reasoning that logically concludes at voting third party.
All right, a third Trump term it is!
It would be functionally similar to a democrat, so yes, in essence your line of reasoning leads to a third trump term no matter what.
Truly the fashos are the same as the entire establishment. Feel free to keep enabling the nazis while patting yourself on the back. The political system in the US practically does not allow for third parties, and even if you manage to replace one party with something better that doesn’t solve the fundamental long term issue. Pushing for electoral reform one way or another does not mean you can’t at least put in a meaningful vote against the fashos.
Feel free to keep enabling the nazis while patting yourself on the back.
Sorry, I just said I won’t vote for democrats
So you’ll get either your 3rd party candidate (you won’t), or Trump’s third. Hard to see why you’d want that, but I guess we all have our reasons.
Growing up on the Mexican side of the border, that Mexican flag should be the other way. The “friendly democrats” would often say things to me like: “If we don’t let Mexicans in, who’s going to pick the fruit / clean the house / make good breakfast burritos” gee thanks
My general experience has been that the average centrist Democrat sees immigrants as “good cheap labor”, not people.
While it is true that centrist democrats don’t really see other ethnicites as people speaking broadly, they’ll still view an individual immigrant as a person.
When I go over to a democrats home they can be ignorant about what’s happening with migrants, but there no doubt in mind I’ll get to leave safely.
I celebrated thanksgiving with one of my friend’s family that is conservative, and there was a part of me that wondered if I would get to leave alive. It’s as if they were trying to rage bait me by saying the most heinous shit while brandishing guns and holding their holster when I turned to speak. Another time, I was with my partner’s family and her brother who’s a manager of a grocery store was complaining that he wished he could ban all non English speakers from coming into the store.
Both are not the best, but I can speak freely with democrats whereas a conservative may blow my head off if I say something they disagree with.
Oh yeah, there’s a huge gulf between the two. Both are pretty shitty, but one is cartoon villain shitty.
It frustrates me that the US doesn’t have an off ramp out of this. They really need that third option (or fourth or fifth), but there’s no realistic way to get to it electorally in a timeframe that matters.
Maybe something like “the top one only ties one arm across the tracks”? Like, you’re getting fucked, but not quite as badly?
It frustrates me that the US doesn’t have an off ramp out of this. They really need that third option (or fourth or fifth)
They really need an electoral system that makes a third or fourth or fifth option viable, like proportional representation or ranked choice of some kind. But…
there’s no realistic way to get to it electorally in a timeframe that matters.
I suspect that timeframe may be decades. You’d have to educate enough people who aren’t yet dug into " this is how we’ve always done it" about the problems of the system, convince them of a better alternative and, macabre as it may sound, wait for the old and stubborn “I don’t want to learn anything new” to die off.
Yall know there are other means of political action that resigning yourself to picking which criminal the aristocracy lets you to vote for right?
Do both.
Voting doesn’t impede your ability to do those other means of action.
Oh look another one posted by none other than Godric…. What a sad excuse of a person. At least have some real stance other than “leftists bad and they are telling us not to vote!”
Which we aren’t saying btw.
thank you for proving you don’t mind the extermination of Palestinians
I clicked your profile and here is what I see: 250 comments, all made very recently. Every comment I read was anti Democrat. Your account was made on January 6 of this year.
Yeah it is just total bullshit that you are a purpose-driven propagandist. What a winner. /s How much does the Kremlin pay for this? Cannot be much so you must really be devoid of skills to take this job.
My recent comments defended progressive Democrats and hassan piker who support them, that’s so anti democrats of me. My profile is full of anti genocide comments unlike scums like you who is ok when tour cult does it.
I have comments that are anti Russia too. I oppose all genocides and all wars of agressions while you are ok when your cult does it.
You are a scum with zero morality. Just fuck off with your bullshit
You are a scum with zero morality. Just fuck off with your bullshit
You use Gazans as a prop and could not care less about them. You’re using them to try to keep Republicans in power. What a fuckin hero /s
You try to distract from this obvious fact by calling me a genocide supporter but it doesn’t work. You are campaigning for extra Palestinian suffering at the hands of Republicans while I don’t engage on that topic because I don’t have to allow you to control what I say or think about. I don’t have to address a weird lie that doesn’t make sense. You think you don’t have to address the obvious facts about your account activity because you can just distract from it. But your every action speaks volumes.
I constantly condemn attacks on ukranians and Gazans, I constantly condemn trump actions. You can’t talk about any victims except when I defend your stupid questions. The only person weaponizing people suffering is you scum. Go lick your kamala pussy
Yeah unfortunately I won’t be made to go away so easily. Pro trump trolls always come and go.
My history show that I am anti trump more than you will ever me. Fuck off dirty cultist
Keep the insults coming buddy
Can you guess how much Kremlin paid me to ask them to fuck off from Ukraine?
I’m sure they didn’t pay you different to create “evidence” that you’re a “real person writing real opinions”. This sudden explosion of anti-democrat activity cannot be whitewashed though, sorry.
Are you a bot? You seems so quick to reply?
Lol projection
If an issue isn’t on the ballot you can’t vote on it.
Vote for your perfect ideals in the primaries. Vote for the better of the 2 options in the general.
It is one thing to vote for imperfect candidate it is another to support literal genocidal terroristic candidates . Never vote for war criminals never
The problem is if someone is willing to support genocide, it’s not actually possible to perform a fair “lesser of two evils” analysis. There’s literally nothing worse than genocide. If you’re willing to support that for power, there’s nothing you won’t support, no promise you won’t go back on, no group of constituents you won’t betray. How many trans people voted for AIPAC democrats on the “lesser of two evils” approach, just to watch those same assholes turn around and start talking about “keeping men out of women’s sports” the moment it became politically popular?
In order to judge the lesser evil, you need to actually be able to judge the beliefs of a candidate. But these people don’t actually believe in anything. They don’t really support anything. They’re just chasing polls and donor dollars to win power. You can’t perform a lesser of evils analysis against a shapeshifter.
There’s literally nothing worse than genocide.
So why are you okay with it happening rather than trying to actually lessen it?
Good thing you can vote on this. You can vote for anyone who does not support the genocide, of which there are several parties.
I would do the primary thing, if it weren’t for the fact anyone who is mildly leftist gets fucked over by the DNC, almost like there is some sort of class collaboration going on.By the way, do you maybe think that by letting democrats get away with genocide, they’ll expand their genocide? Kind of seems like that’s what’s happening since, by letting them get away with everything else, they’ve expanded all the horros.
Thank you for admitting you don’t mind the extermination of every single vulnerable people
The same AIPAC Democrats are now turning in droves against trans people. It’s almost like if you’re willing to throw one group of your supporters under the bus, then you’ll be willing to it again.
“How could the betrayer have betrayed me?! He promised me he would only betray the other people!”
“weird” how the election draws neigh and suddenly instead of one or two pro trump trolls harassing me there’s several
“weird how when October draws nigh i will see many more pumpkins than I usually do! This must be the work of those dastardly russians!”
You’re talking more about politics, so youre getting more of those responses. Politics is in the zeitgeist, so its what most people are talking more than usually about. Weird!!
Did the lgbt+ and Latinos got most of their home destroyed, are they experienced human made famine by destroying most of their agricultural fields , do they get them kids shots and bombed? Do they get literally raped by the American army? They are facing injustice and discrimination but don’t dare act like they are getting genocide like Palestinians.
Yes I’ve seen this newly established talking point. Doesn’t actually work or mean anything. Allowing Donald Trump to increase the suffering of many peoples was factually a bad thing to have done. Trying to distract from it won’t work at all.
So you are ok with the extermination of Palestinians while you pretending that LGBTIQ and Latinos are getting exterminated. Your lesser of evil bullshit is the reason you got trump
Yes and whatever other lies that don’t make sense you can come up with. All the bullshit. It’s all my religion. I believe all the evil things. Now, let’s not talk about the fact that people like you put trump in power and hurt Gazans more than any Democrat ever could.
I am thankful for not being an American. You Americans are idiots who vote for terrorists since the start of your shitty country
I am thankful not to be a tankie. I often wish I wasn’t American, but it’s not because I have an indefensible ideology that awards itself undeserved moral purity. I know my country is fucked up. You don’t know you are.
Facts are not talking points.
WTF?
Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two tracks.
They’re the same track.
The ones wanting a different track better vote in the primaries, then, instead of just complaining about the party as a whole after the ticket is settled.
Way too many people in the fediverse don’t even know what the primaries are.
It’s red, yellow, and blue. We all learned it at school.
Most people saying “just vote in the primaries!” don’t know what primaries are.
LOL. Lucy already pulled that football TWICE. The first time they rat fucked Bernie. The second time they didn’t even have primaries. You have got to be fucking insane to be saying “voting in primaries is our chance for change”. Are you fucking daft?
Almost like the presidential primary isn’t the only primary. The rise of the DSA is showing what primaries can do. And listen I’m not saying they’re perfect and will fix everything, but their a whole hell of a lot better than the options we’ve had.
Also don’t misunderstand you are right about Bernie and well the whole not having a presidential primary, but there’s no reason you can’t try to use the tools available within the system to marginally improve the circumstances of the working class AND pursue more radical action. You can do both
Yeah, you can. But you can also just focus on the thing that has always worked and will always work which is interest convergence. We must make politicians suffer for going the wrong way and benefit from going the right way. Civil Rights was passed by a bi-partisan coalition because they knew if they didn’t things would get much much worse for them, not at the ballot box, on the street. Women got suffrage without voting. Labor had to fight literal paramilitary combat to get us weekends. That’s how it works. Sure, vote. But don’t waste so much time on it and certainly don’t waste time trying to convince people to vote or convince people that “blue no matter who” is moral or that “sign up to be a Democrat, add your name to their roster and then vote in their convoluted and rat fucked primary system”. Let people vote their conscience and focus on raising their consciousness.
Voting takes like an hour every 2 years, it’s really not that hard. And yes on election day some areas have very long lines, but everywhere has some form of mail ballot and/or early voting.
It’s so easy there’s no reason not to go do it. I’ve spent more time switching a license at the DMV than voting has ever taken.
Also not a single one of those movements existed in a political vacuum. The threat of violence did exist, but so did the threat of politicians losing their positions. Honestly outside of the labor movements/skirmishes everything else you listed existed well within election politics. The movements were absolutely necessary to effect change, but not an either/or situation by any measure. Both was necessary
So, the primaries didn’t go well? Or hopefully you’re just reusing the meme from last time?
This is a 2 year old meme, yep! It’s funny how the same pattern of “both sides” peddled bullshit pops up right before an election.
“Don’t vote, they’re both the same! Vote for the obscure third party candidate, they pinky promised to fix everything just like you want it!”
Meanwhile, the US has a REPUBLICAN pedophile president whose worst act so far was to start a completely pointless war throwing the world into an economic crisis. He also dismantled the efforts of the previous DEMOCRAT president to advance green technology in the US. We still haven’t seen the full implications of it all. But yeah, both are the same, corporations control everything, no point in voting yadda yadda.
It might be doing the Democrats a disservice, then, given that they may or may not have shifted towards opposing the genocide. (I couldn’t find a conclusive result by searching for the answer)
The only thing Democrats did was conclude they had to get more racist, as they do after every election wether they win or lose
They did not
