Fire in the hole!
The difference is that Starfleet has the ethical standards in place to make that technology non disruptive to their society. We wouldn’t survive being gifted ships that can glass the planet, for example. Wed fuck that up immediately.
It, if it is imagined as using a similar underlying technology, would also be an example of that technology that is both far more mature and understood (at least until the writers want to use it as an excuse for whatever shenanigans of the day) than current AI tech, and more capable, and also not shoved into everything in an attempt to force people to use it so that it’s owners can extract more of everyone else’s shrinking supply of money, and also not part of an economic house of cards that people are told will eventually impoverish masses of people when it inevitability collapses.
It’s like saying that in the 21st century we have decorative plants and everyone loves those, to a dutch person from the 1630s who has complaints about the tulip industry.
Commander Maddox had a point. If Data was a box on wheels they would have shipped him off to be taken apart. But because he looked and sounded like a human everyone empathized with him.
They seemed to empathize with the exocomps after realizing they had sentience. They were a little more complex than box on wheels, but a far cry from humanoid.
Granted, that happened well after that landmark court case about Data’s sentience.
But they’re so cuuuuuute 😍 Look at them!
laughs in Peanut Hamper
And only after Data argued on their behalf. The organics themselves wouldn’t have cared.
Perhaps we give it a pass in a post-scarcity world? When capitalism isn’t in the picture, it’s not taking jobs or ruining the environment or anything like that.
Although, you kinda still have to “write” a holodeck program and it also seems to be slightly harder than prompting or they’d be doing it on the fly a bit more.
Holodecks are discrete programs with subroutines.
How many times did a bad “prompt” nearly destroy the Enterprise? Kill a crew member? Commit sexual harassment, for lack of a better term?
Or create a fully sentient and conscious mind just because you asked it to? Jesus, holodecks are scary.
It’s part of the charm <3
Oh would you look at that, resources and copyright are less important in a literal post-scarcity universe where everything is shared freely! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!
I had this thought a long time ago. It’s not really wrong even.
It’s not generative AI we hate, it’s LLMs.
LLMs are generative AI.
Yes but not all generative AI is LLMs. I hate wine, but saying “you know beer is alcohol too” is not something that should make me feel hypocritical about liking beer. It’s not alcohol I hate, it’s wine.
Artificial intelligence in science fiction is intelligence that’s artificial.
Artificial intelligence in real life is more akin to what we’d call “artificial flavors” in some fruit drink that contains 0% fruit. Isn’t fruit, doesn’t taste like fruit, but it’s purple and sweet, so fuck it: “grape”. We’ve accomplished the “artificial” part, but not the bit that actually matters.
So, yeah, AI in sci-fi is unironically great. “AI” irl is shit. If the real version ever comes close to the sci-fi version, you’ll see a lot of the haters change our tune, but until then we’ll call a turd a turd.
OK, but how will we ever get to “great” AI if we don’t invest in less great AI to drive research. If the luddites on Lemmy calls the shots, Data will never see the light of day.
“research” doesn’t need billions of dollars in commercial data centres. The shitty “ai” we have is all about line must go up.
Well, rolling with the artificial flavors analogy, we can start by stopping the infuriating trend of adding artificial grape flavor to every fucking food item under the sun. No one asked for or wanted that shit, but now it’s become a chore to find so much as a bag of coffee beans that doesn’t have some blip on the packaging advertising “Now with grape!!” Not only does it taste bad, but it’s caused the cost of food to fucking double.
Second, we can start being honest about what it actually is. Again, it doesn’t taste like grape, so why the fuck are we calling it grape? With AI this is as much on us as it is with the companies marketing that garbage - for ages we’ve been calling so much as an NPC’s pathing algorithm in a videogame “AI” even though there’s objectively no intelligence at play. We’ve since tried to move the goal posts a bit by relabeling actual AI as “AGI” but I guarantee that’ll just become another term to muddy the waters with marketing bullshit. The shit we’re calling “AI” is just categorically not even on the same path as the the kind of AI we see in sci-fi. So if you want Data to see the light of day, we’ll need to stop wasting our time and money on what is effectively a spell checker that’s wrong occasionally.
Unless you think Data is just a chat bot with no consciousness, in which case, hooray, we’ve done it: AI. 🎉 …now can I please have a mug of coffee without Grape™ syrup in it? I know, such a Luddite, drinking coffee without grape! Guilty as charged. But adding that shit to my coffee is never going to get us a product that tastes and feels etc like a grape, so if that’s what you’re after, maybe keep it in R&D and off the fucking grocery shelves.
“Make an opponent capable of defeating Data”
ST AI: Have a supercharged Moriarty.
RL AI: deletes production database
No holodecks, or more accurately, the ship’s computer, are fantasy AI. Chatbots will never be so cool.
There was this old book in my school classroom I remember that was speculating about the future; it had illustrations of robot butlers and maids helping people about the house in that 1960s-painting style. Think the future as seen in “The Jetsons”, or Andrew from “Bicentennial Man”.
That’s the “robot assistance” I was promised. So I’d say to my robot “Hey, can you turn the lights down?” And a humanoid robot would walk over to the light switch and turn the lights down.
Of course, it turns out building robots like that is hugely expensive so it’s easier to just sell smart lights that connect to a voice-activated app on your phone. That’s just not the same as a true general purpose robot, dammit! There’s no whimsy. Generative AI is ruining the Internet and for what? I’m no closer to my true robot butler and flying car.
Wrong, the holodeck follow instructions, the
AIneural simulation don’t.Unless you like to play in simulation created by a simulation, coded with an abstract language, run into a virtual machine.
At some point in time, humanity will learn.Now this might have something to do with what they mean when they disable safeguards. Maybe there’s a layer of user-defined limits that are carefully defined and that’s part of the craft of a good holodeck program, but when safeguards are disabled, it just runs as a raw universe simulation, matter, photons and all.
It’s a little more than just the genAI part tho.
You can fuck the holograms. If real world genAI was fuckable, FuckAI would not be an anti-AI community; it would be a NSFW one.
Where does your jizz go?
Literally the first episode of Lower Decks has someone off-hand mention having to empty the holodeck cum trap.
Meanwhile I got destroyed in another thread for saying Lower Decks was a low-brow gag comedy 🤷♂️
Into the hussy
Into the biofilters until some poor lower deck person empties it:
You’d think they’d just have one of the gen 1 EMHs do it. Maybe that weird non-descript industrial thing with pipes going everywhere we are shown them to be janitors for in that one scene was actually the jizz tubes beneath a holodeck 🤔
In universe the holodeck generates a certain kind of matter that can’t leave the holodeck. So your jizz goes into the holomatter lady who is then presumably disinterested atom by atom just like a teleporter. So your jizz gets dissolved into the ether.
