Since you obviously didn’t post the OP looking for good faith discussion in the first place (and your comments in the thread more than attest to that fact), I’m perfectly happy with you not replying to my comments.
Given that any meat a normal person consumes is produced unethically in deplorable conditions, I don’t think it can be the ethical choice. If you raise the animals yourself and kill them quickly and humanely, sure. Or even go hunting and eat the meat. Fish and eat the fish. Otherwise, I don’t see how anyone could contend it’s ethical.
My dad is a conservative red blooded american, and he rarely consumes meat because he has worked in and around a number of factory farms of varying sizes. From chickens, pigs, to cattle. It’s all produced in truly abhorrent ways.
Your attitude betrays some level of cognitive dissonance imo, but what do I know, I’m just a lemming.
I think i’d be more apt to consider your opinion if you were less aggressive and had posited a single argument. Dismissing something with a hand wave isn’t exactly a convincing argument. I’m open to hearing how you believe modern factory farming and meat consumption is ethical in your framework
edit: I even posted the ways I would find eating meat ethical – I don’t really understand the anger and hostility
I’m open to hearing how you believe modern factory farming and meat consumption is ethical in your framework
I never said that I believed that. My original comment was only intended to call out OP’s bullshit purity tests and the negative outcomes that will result as people grow discouraged and give up from having someone belittle what is very clearly an intentional effort to be better.
We were talking about how dominant factory farming is, and how things that try not to do that do not scale. The response to that was to ignore this and throw up hands and say “eh, guess we can’t do anything”. Am I’m supposed to instead assume that one has to eat meat and ignore that we don’t have to?
We were talking about how dominant factory farming is, and how things that try not to do that do not scale.
No, that’s what you were doing, and I wasn’t putting up with your purity test bullshit. My response is what most people will respond with when confronted with “All of the effort you’re putting in to trying to be better has been completely wasted because it’s not perfect.”
There’s another option you never considered: reducing consumption and reduction. I would very much say reducing consumption is a step toward a better world. I’m not going to tell someone there efforts are wasted if they’re doing that, I’m going to encourage them to keep going further
And you can always start
I was going to reply to your earlier comment, but I’m now seeing there is little interest in any good faith discussion
Since you obviously didn’t post the OP looking for good faith discussion in the first place (and your comments in the thread more than attest to that fact), I’m perfectly happy with you not replying to my comments.
My comments, which are heavily sourced and cited, show that?
Yup. Very, very clearly.
Given that any meat a normal person consumes is produced unethically in deplorable conditions, I don’t think it can be the ethical choice. If you raise the animals yourself and kill them quickly and humanely, sure. Or even go hunting and eat the meat. Fish and eat the fish. Otherwise, I don’t see how anyone could contend it’s ethical.
My dad is a conservative red blooded american, and he rarely consumes meat because he has worked in and around a number of factory farms of varying sizes. From chickens, pigs, to cattle. It’s all produced in truly abhorrent ways.
Your attitude betrays some level of cognitive dissonance imo, but what do I know, I’m just a lemming.
I got downvotes for mentioning I’m planning on taking some of our overpopulated deer.
Maybe we should reintroduce wolves instead, eh?
hey you’re more merciful than the wolf
Cool opinion bro.
And you’ll certainly make sure that you stay that way, I’m sure. That’s kinda the point of my above comment.
Anytime you engage in discussion without leaving open the possibility that your position could be wrong, you’re not engaging in good faith.
I think i’d be more apt to consider your opinion if you were less aggressive and had posited a single argument. Dismissing something with a hand wave isn’t exactly a convincing argument. I’m open to hearing how you believe modern factory farming and meat consumption is ethical in your framework
edit: I even posted the ways I would find eating meat ethical – I don’t really understand the anger and hostility
I never said that I believed that. My original comment was only intended to call out OP’s bullshit purity tests and the negative outcomes that will result as people grow discouraged and give up from having someone belittle what is very clearly an intentional effort to be better.
We’re all doing the best we can.
We were talking about how dominant factory farming is, and how things that try not to do that do not scale. The response to that was to ignore this and throw up hands and say “eh, guess we can’t do anything”. Am I’m supposed to instead assume that one has to eat meat and ignore that we don’t have to?
No, that’s what you were doing, and I wasn’t putting up with your purity test bullshit. My response is what most people will respond with when confronted with “All of the effort you’re putting in to trying to be better has been completely wasted because it’s not perfect.”
We’re all doing what we can.
There’s another option you never considered: reducing consumption and reduction. I would very much say reducing consumption is a step toward a better world. I’m not going to tell someone there efforts are wasted if they’re doing that, I’m going to encourage them to keep going further