Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he considers freezing military operations along the current front line and shifting the conflict to the diplomatic track a realistic way to end the war.
He made the remarks in a special interview with U.S. television network Fox News, Operative Information Center-OMM reports, citing the broadcaster.
Asked whether Kyiv would accept a peace deal that froze the conflict along the current line of contact while leaving more than three-quarters of Ukraine’s territory under its control, Zelensky replied:
“Yes. If we have to freeze military operations right now, I think this is the most realistic way to end the war,” the Ukrainian leader said.
I agree to give up what I don’t have.
LOL“I don’t want to play with you anymore”
-NATO, as it drops Ukraine and hopes for a profitable DMZ that doesn’t waste as many interceptors.
I just hope V.Zelensky and ukrainians won’t give up on a slav/Rus future(, there’s not enough diversity/centers).
Western interference in driving Ukraine away from Russia isn’t something that should be demonstrated anymore(, each sanctioned country is attacked, there were so many lies, systematically, dozens in 2004 and 2014, western ingerence in every facet of their society, and no pushback/awareness, no more than we(sterners) push back against our oligarchs’ influence), we(sterners) would never accept a tenth of the interferences practiced abroad.
Of course, we promised NATO wouldn’t expand, and proceeded regardless despite many warning of the consequences, classic.
(source)I hope the Rus future will hold even if it doesn’t gain back Ukraine’s historical support, it’s not as if they aren’t used to suffer/struggle, but it’s sad how easy it was to manipulate ukrainians(, not that difficult to prove).
on their/our capitalist masters
B.t.w., i’ll also make the claim that eastern europeans are the ones who are brainwashed by their capitalist-owned medias, not me ; as a proof, most of them are anti-‘anti-capitalists’ without being able to explain why they were anti-capitalists in the first place. Shouldn’t such ignorance be enough ?
They/We are assimilating anti-authoritarianism with anti-communism, which is of course ignorant/nonsensical, and are hence ignorantly supporting their exploitation and newfound oligarchs.I remain open to the possibility that i’m the ignorant one for thinking that their comprador bourgeois should be thrown in jail like any other thief, and their wealth/power returned to those they stole it from.
Like the rest of the third world, they tried capitalism and it failed, but they can still double down and give up their natural ressources to western companies.I’m not scared to accuse other of being brainwashed. After all, it makes sense for us that an israeli jew will join the IDF if a family member was killed during the 7th of October, but we’ll demonize Hamas members without accepting that they’re avenging their much more numerous family members killed by israelis(, beyond having the Holy Lands stolen from them). Do YOu cONdEmn HAmaS ?
It’s not an exception but the rule, we(sterners) are just full of bullshit and easily manipulated, thrown into an environment where everyone belongs to the millionaire’s Pravda, who just need to say the same shit in order for us to find it normal, and who wish to extend more control over our social medias.Anyhow, whether or not ukrainians join back russians, perhaps that the Rus exception will fell as well in a few decades, and stop supporting Cuba, Venezuela, China, North Korea, etc.
After all, there are none more scarier than the Empire, who proved again and again that one rule of the international ugliest “game” is «the winner takes all»(, it’s we{humans} who make up these rules, not Nature, we could see our diversity as a wealth instead of a cause for disunity).Some solutions to stay Chouardian :
- the Subcarpathian Ruthenia(, 12.000km²,) could be exchanged for Transcarpathia(, 4.000km²).
That would be a big unequal exchange for Ukraine-Belarus-Russia, and stay conditional to a local referendum, so that the population could choose independence instead.
I’m against it because it’s unequal.- Eastern Galicia(, 55.000km²,) could be given to ‘the European Union’/Poland without anything in return, except perhaps one more lie that we’ll stop relentlessly attacking our eastern flank.
I’d also be against that, of course.It seems that there could be a path for a frozen conflict that would turn into Ukraine later joining back the Rus side in order to recover some territories(, probably by joining the Rus under a common army), but that would require europeans to stop having claims over Ukraine.
(This post was insufficiently sourced, most westerners ignoring the extend of our interferences in Ukraine and around the whole world)
I think it’s mostly economics related. As long as Europe is richer, many Ukrainians want to stick on the European side. But we’ve already seen that the power dynamic is shifting massively, and Europe is wasting all their money gearing up for war. Who knows what the future will bring though. A massive economic bubble is looming and I expect Europe to become much more aggressive around 2030 after their arsenal is built up
I think it’s mostly economics related
Undoubtedly, that’s why sanctions work, but they let their oligarchs take control despite the economic disaster post-1991 and that’s partly because of propaganda ; they also considered that there was no viable economic model to their East despite China’s rise, and that’s also partly because of capitalist-induced propaganda.
Their institutions right down to even their statistical institutes were already controlled by the west before 2014, and almost all of their minister of Culture came from western Ukraine(, excepting Ivan Dziouba and Iouri Bohoutsky), among dozens of other things, without counting western lies(, one out of so many).
So while socio-economics(, especially right next to Poland,) clearly are the main driver behind leader&population decisions, i’ll still continue to accuse propaganda when it affirms that there is no alternative.
Hopefully the insane killing stops.
With wars like this there tends to be a point where one side breaks and the other side surges forward. If Ukraine is reaching their breaking point this could be a sign. They could try to get a diplomatic solution before they fail to hold the line and begin to lose ground rapidly. But if Russia knows that too why accept?
I don’t think he will do this
why not? he sold his countries for pennies to western multinational corporations.
Idk the video looks real https://x.com/realgerhardtvdm/status/2112889003112333772
It’s a bit questionable what he actually means. He actually says “Yes. If… right now we have to freeze…". Which could really mean ceasefire and continue later. Anything for a ceasefire now. The Russians definitely won’t accept anything except a comprehensive peace agreement which seems impossible with the EU now.
Russians want capitulation. Ukraine will do anything to just stop the killing. They can’t win against Russia and America together.
The only thing that will get Ukraine to stop is running out of men or weapons to send into the meatgrinder. It’s probably the second.
They will stop at almost any ceasefire.
Russia will break almost every ceasefire.
And the the meat being grinded is Russians. Even Russian mil bloggers are starting to admit the horrific loses.
And the the meat being grinded is Russians.
“Ukrainians aren’t in the meat grinder” is an insane thing to say when “Busification” is a word
Kiev has violated numerous ceasefires in this conflict, and had several chances to negotiate a settlement, primarily blocked by the EU and US (now mostly the EU). Why do you think Russia will break almost every ceasefire? Why do you think Ukraine will stop at almost any ceasefire? It seems like you’re viewing this conflict as “good” vs. “evil,” rather than two countries of humans at war.
Violated ceasefires? When where? There were no ceasefires yet. Except for the one for Russian “parade” where zelensky graciously allowed the parade to happen.
There were no chance to negotiate yet only offers of capitulation.
Eu has 0 interest to prolong the war. They want to bring back Russian fossil fuels asap.
Russia will break every crease fire because Putin can’t agree on anything but total victory otherwise he will lose and Russia will be seen for what it is, an archaic country glued together by threat’s of violence.
Ukraine wants the ceasefire, because they don’t really care about anything but surviving.
I’m looking at this way as it is. Through the lenses of history, thorough understanding Putins mindset and Russian people, Russian state, Russian secret police, Russian regions, Russian minorities, Russian oligarchs, Russian authors,…
And on the others side through the mindset of all the former Soviet republics and their incredible desperation and great of being Russiasn neighbor, of becoming another Chechnya.
stop lying, if they wanted to stop the killing they would have reached for a diplomatic solution long time ago. they need to fight to the last ukrainians to support daddy usa imperialist goals.
As opposed to the imperialist russian war goals?
i understand you live in the empire and you get a lot of treats for being a good boy, but imperialism is not defined by starting a war. read a book.
What empire? Most of it fell apart decades ago, and I hardly support nations. Not sure why you need to be so condescending but from what I’ve seen there’s a clear aggressor who could stop just as easily as they started. The imperialism is the attempts to grab territory and use the reactions against it as an excuse to keep doing so. I’m not saying the other parties don’t also have their agendas, it’s the perfect excuse to test the waters of how a large scale war with Russia could pan out. But in the current situation Russia is one of the more visible threats. Anyway I don’t know why I’m bothering arguing in the ml echo chamber…
Ukraine will do anything to just stop the killing.
No they don’t. Even western media has started to report on the forced conscription, which has been known about for ages despite liberals wholly rejecting that or projecting the busification towards Russia for dumb reasons. It’s incredibly clear that Ukrainians don’t want this war but NATO and Amerika really do.
That’s completely illogical, besides being patently wrong. Forced conscription has nothing to do without with it. It’s normal for a country in war.
NATO has no interest in this war. Europe has no real army, no stockpiles of weapons, only token weapons industry. They had to big economic connections with Russia that they can’t even break 5 years into this war. Europe had such a big incentive for this war not to happen they they ignored Russian military annex of Crimea 8 years prior.
America you can see that now they are buddies with Putin. While you could argue that they have some sinister plan to put Russia into war with Europe, it’s just so obvious to see that their foreign policies change daily. There is a clown at the wheel and there is no depth there. They would be happy to control the world economically and Russia is a regional power for them.
NATO foolishly provoked this war through couping Yanukovych in 2014. The reason NATO provoked the war is because they want Russia in a weak enough state that foreign capital can dominate them and profit off of it, they want to force Russia to give up their sovereignty in exchange for cash needed to rebuild. The US is not allies with Russia, otherwise the US would be giving arms to Russia and not Ukraine.
That makes no sense. NATO provoked? That’s weak. And by couping (no evidence) in another country? Even weaker. And there are plenty of evidence that yanukovych was an unpopular dictator. This kind of attempts to somehow take agency from the people and just blame the one you happen to dislike is just… It’s silly. It doesn’t pass the first smell test.
America was already dominating Russia. The only thing Russia makes is fossil fuels, depression and alcoholism.
Accepting a ceasefire with terrain freeze is defacto surrendering the terrain
I mean anything for a ceasefire later, whatever conditions, just to break it later. Ukraine, US empire, EU, NATO, they would find some way to provoke or destabilize and then make a new plausible propaganda case for why Russia broke the peace again and continuing the war is only Russia’s fault. And people would eat it up. Deep strikes would continue. Russia would be stupid to not see that coming.
So Russia is basically forced into settling this on the battlefield, slowly take more territory and only leave a failed and utterly destroyed remainder of Ukraine as a headache for Europe to deal with. I believe such an “ugly victory” is the only way this war will end now. Let Europe stew in their near totalitarian hysteria.
Ukraine wenty to go into debt instead of having America sponsor the weapons Zelensky wasn’t getting all that stuff for free. He was just selling out his country. So Ukraine is now a free buffet for the USA to rob dry of rare earth minerals and other natural resources.
Oh right. I went to check, the map here shows more reasons for Russia to continue pushing the front line just a little bit lol. But this article casts doubt that the deposits are even mineable economically.
And then you’d need processing. China strategically invested massively into that sector, while neoliberal Europe and US simply can’t even conceive to doing such a thing.
