Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.
We will share further updates once we have them.
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I am confused. If the admin in question is no longer an admin, what’s the need for defederation?
defederation was done while this person was still an admin
Will the two instances work to refederate now that the (former) admin is no longer in power?
The current admins continue to vigorously defend the admin who resigned.
Just to be clear, so do the users.
This behavior from .world is why I left it in the first place.
Given your comments on here, I’m also now glad I didn’t decide to join piefed.social when I was excited to try out piefed. Its pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I’ll go ahead and point out that an admin getting banned for self-proclaimed support of Zionism is completely appropriate. Defederating an instance with an edgy bit in their profile is completely inappropriate.
This behavior was brought by the same people who tried to push “Everyone’s opinion is valid, no matter how horrible, you’ll just have to talk through it or you’ll be banned”, which they later backtracked on.
So this is entirely what I would expect of @MrKaplan@lemmy.world. Your behavior is a bit of surprise to me, but now I know, so at least there is that.
Why not?
It’s filled with antisemitic users. Who use anti-Zionism to cover up their blatant antisemitic slanting.
Zionism is an antisemitic belief.
You just showcased exactly what I am talking about 🙄
You conflate criticism of Israel and Zionism with antisemitism, that in itself is literally antisemitic.
No they’re not Rimu, you’re wildly misrepresenting reality.
They’re attacking the defederation and saying that Kaplan overreacted. Some think that Lum went too far, others do not, but it is not the consistent opinion that you make it out to be.
No the Lemmy.world admins continue to vigorously project their insecurities.
But they’re not of dbzer0. So where is your justification for claiming that you are talking about defederating with them? Oh right. Literally none.
I see. Thank you for clarifying; the timing was unclear in the original post.
Because this was their goal and the admins was just the excuse they’re using to get rid of another instance world can see
Lmao wait, there are conspiracy theorists on lemmy?
Yeah but also usually just stay on lemmy.world and piefed
Then why are you on ttrpg?
Because they’re on world
Well whatever, if you don’t understand what I said i don’t care anymore
Well whatever, if you don’t understand what I said i don’t care anymore
Just ignoring you being a massive dick!
I’d call it less “conspiracy theory” and more “a history of .world’s administration”, personally.
Lol, The FAF takes weeks of deliberation, and a public vote to defederate feddit.org and we still get shit about being “authoritarians” or “manipulative”. L.W. just YOLO defederated an anarchist instance on the flimsiest excuse and…crickets.
Wait, so this gets instant action but Jordanlund history of world tos breaking and abusing moderation takes a month to get jack shit?
User: Kill Zionists
Admin:
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.
If .world doesn’t defederate, dbzero never will, because they’re only federated to troll…
This is how their admins are still acting:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67441443/25634912
It’s not just this, their main admin bans people just for down voting any of their AI slop they spread over like 20 identical communities.
Anytime there’s any kind of division, “divide by zero” will pick the position that will piss off the most people, and just wait for new users to stumble onto their instance.
They’re a negative to the fediverse, along with a couple other instances with very low user numbers but a high degree of drama.
I hope that db0 doesn’t get defederated.
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
We are all on the fediverse for similar reasons, we’ll be a lot more successful trying to see the nuance in people’s views instead making enemies of each other out of righteous indignation. This goes for everyone
We need to take our comms and push them to reddthat, disroot and lazysocial.
What absolute fucking pussies.
You should be ashamed to be here, in our community, making false accusations to deliberately try to “get one back” against a text block on the internet.
I hereby vote that we release wolves into the Admin habitat for the lemmy.world instance. Natural selection should correct the lack of spine found in said admins.
As a Jewish person I think you should absolutely consider defederating from those instances. They platform and allow actual antisemitic people. They enable and encourage people calling for the death of Israelis. They are a bad place and no decent instance should associate with them.
There’s a lot to unpack here. For the sake of convenience, I’m going to assume that what Luminous said was a legitimate call for violence and was therefore not complying with the Lemmy.world code of conduct.
If we assume that, then the Lemmy.world terms say that they can:
- remove the content and ask a user not to do it again, and/or,
- (if it’s a second time) suspend the account temporarily, and/or,
- restrict or banish the community, and/or,
- remove all of that user’s content, and/or,
- permanently ban the user.
I have no idea how many of those had already happened, I’m going to assume for convenience again that some of it did. The site bylaws also say that for community bans and content removal:
- Bans “should only be used as a last resort for hostile users OR for users that are known bad faith actors.”
- “Any community user ban CAN and SHOULD have a clearly documented reason pointing to explicit rules broken.”
- “any content that they DO remove, they should ideally be able to cite the community rules that were broken.”
I note that all of Luminous’ content was removed, and while the “Our Rights” section says this can happen, it somewhat contrasts with the guidelines for documenting content removal. But there’s still nothing in any of this that suggests defederating from the entire instance is warranted or an appropriate course of action. If community bans are considered a last resort, then it seems logical that defederating has at the bare minimum the same threshold of seriousness.
Let’s assume for convenience again that the comments from one admin can be sufficient cause for defederation, and its absence from the ToS is an oversight. If that’s the case, then the bylaws and prior defederation examples (eg. lemmygrad) suggest that this should be adequately explained. But that didn’t happen, and it’s not clear whether the other admins were involved in the decision.
Even if all of the above reactions to Luminous’ comment were justified and proper, the actions afterwards by lemmy.world admins / mods don’t inspire my confidence. I can see there has been:
- This refederation announcement, only posted as a regular post (I found it yesterday by chance). It only briefly outlines the events leading up to this.
- One user in this thread has been temporarily community banned for “Spam, harassment” after three removed posts in the thread, which doesn’t seem like spam quantity. Two of those posts cite the reason “this isn’t about jordanlund”, yet further down in the thread, an admin is litigating the jordanlund situation. Other far more off topic content is in this thread, so if that is a concern, it’s not clear why the other comments remain.
- A few users have been permanently(?) banned from the instance with the reasons “troll” or “calling FHF members nazis”. It’s unclear whether the removed comments or user histories rose to the level of needing an instance ban.
- Multiple other users have been temporarily banned from this community for reasons spanning from “uncivil” to “disinformation”, to “sealioning and harassment”. Many of the removed comments from those users did not seem to meet those descriptions either.
- Many other removed comments from non-banned users, with varying levels of clear rules broken.
- One moderator indicating the defederation mostly only targets several “loud” people and the instance size is only 165 people, which undercuts both the reasoning for why defederation was necessary and the justification for including 150 users as collateral (along with anyone who may have wanted to interact with them). Several people can be dealt with using individual bans, and that quantity are unlikely to be negatively impacting lemmy.world at scale.
- No response from the only person further up the leadership ladder for whether / how Lemmy.world admin are evaluating the original decisions, governance process for defederation, or the bus factor and risks of one person being site admin and top moderator and infra simultaneously. Not even a “I’m alive and considering the issue” acknowledgement, unless done behind the cover of the lead in account.
- Lots of little bits of engagement otherwise from Lemmy.world admin or mods with various tangents in the thread.
Very little here seems to align with the by laws and expectations for proportionate community moderator conduct.
The situation looks to me like it has been poorly handled, and there is no sign of any compromise or admission that any of the events that up to now could have been handled differently, or a process for how it might be handled in the future. I just don’t see much in the way of community building or good will, but I do see the same patterns that have inspired other lemmy.world drama over the years.
If one admin’s comments or actions aren’t sufficient for justifying defederation, then it’s unclear why dbzer0 is being considered for defederation at all. But, if one admin’s comments or actions are sufficient justification, then the situation in this thread opens the door for other instances to defederate from Lemmy.world.
Lemmy.world not beating the allegations of harboring Zionists
What incentive do I have to remain here if I can’t see stuff from other instances?
Should have stayed defederated. Anarchist.nexus is a shitshow, just like lemmy.ml and dbzer0
Honestly, with comments in this thread being removed by mods and the delays and prevarifications over this defederation, I’m starting to think LW is run by children.
Do better.
