It’s a movie starring his nephew in the lead role, approved by his estate, and by all accounts it just feels like an attempt to whitewash him. This is a man who was accused of being a serial child molester, settled with a family out of court for $25 million just to avoid a trial (Chandler), and openly admitted he slept in the same bed as kids while he was an adult (Bashir interview), among other things. I don’t really see what there is to debate.
Anything pointing this out gets backlash on movie-related subreddits, which I find wild. It makes me wonder, if Epstein could sing and dance, would he have gotten a biopic too? Would people be defending him like this?
He sure was innocent…
You never held a baby have you
Almost nobody in the existence of our race has held their or someone else’s baby out over a three story balcony, no
I have, not over a balcony with its face covered though.
Nothing woke about believing Hollywood tabloids.
MJ was framed for the crime of not participating in the Epstein stuff. Just like every other “off the deep end” celebrity apparently.
IMO if MJ did stuff McCulley Calkin would 100% have been a victim and not be defending him.
Jackson was certainly strange in his personal life, but I don’t think he diddled any kids.
As for his documentary, yeah it’s kinda whitewashing with how closely it’s tied to his estate. Why now? Well, Elton John got one, Freddie Mercury got one, everyone’s gettin’ one.
you’re not too woke.
you’re not even wrong on your assessment.
I think you just need to chill out. it’s a biopic. Hitler has had tons of biopics done, think anyone believes he didn’t do the terrible shit he did that weren’t already sympathetic to his goals?
my point is, everyone knows he was a pedophile and the people who refuse to accept that are never going to change their minds.
How do you think people would react to a Hitler biopic that doesn’t address the holocaust or anything else bad he did?
they wouldn’t watch it, and if they did they would attribute it as Nazi propaganda and tell others not to watch it. something that OP is putting the carriage before the horses here.
In my opinion, MJ probably was an pedophile in the truest sense of the word. He enjoyed cuddling and simply being close to them, and actually caring about them, which also means he would never actually hurt them. It reminds me of furry cuddle piles. If he would have been born later, he would have an fursona for sure.
You sound unvaccinated
Nah, kid was beat by his dad, lost his childhood and just wanted friends. He wasn’t an adult psychologically and enjoyed being around kids his “age”. He wasn’t all there, but id bet money he was far from a pedophile. I don’t think he had it in him at all, just wanted friends.
Lol wtf?
I wouldn’t say “too woke” at all.
Not having met the man, though, I’m not at liberty to decide his guilt or innocence, how mature or simple he was, how platonic or pedophilic he was.
I’d always caution against unassailable certainty, but you decide your own safety level.
This is the one sex allegation I just don’t believe.
And its a biopic so… It wouldn’t matter who it was about. Shit… I’d watch a biopic about Epstein. I’d still hate the fucker at the end.
Yeah Michael Jackson was a breed of his own. He apparently had little boys SLEEPING in his bed, which is weird and absolutely unacceptable especially in today’s climate, but he did not touch them. McCauley Culkin said “We were just SLEEPING.” Still completely inappropriate but that family who got $25 million out of Michael, they were just milking a cash cow.
Yes.
Most music biopics are trash because the living get far more editorial control compared to other biopics because of the music rights. This was never going to be a movie that challenged Michael Jackson as a person.
I couldn’t care less about it myself. More trash for the dumpster fire of American culture.
No. you’re just being a troll by posting this though.
My son is a big cinephile, and we watch a LOT of movies, but I am also a history guy, so my son knows that I really don’t like biopics, or films that portray some historical event. Invariably, Hollywood decisions outweigh historical accuracy, and the result is usually impossible for me to tolerate. I would rather see a boring portrayal of the actual events, than an exciting rewrite.
MJ and I are the exact same age, and I grew up LOVING his music. The allegations were shocking, and I studied every interview and watched every documentary and news coverage of it that I could. Today, I can’t really say I trust either side. I see problems with the accusers, I see problems with the accused. Lawyers advise their clients to settle all the time - “It’s not personal, it’s just business.” I’ve been on the receiving end of that “advice,” and it’s hard to hear, because you know people will always see it as an admission of guilt, and not “just business.”
So while I abandoned Bill Cosby (another heartbreaker I grew up with) I’ve decided to keep listening to MJ. We will never know the entire story, but I know enough that the accusations have a LOT of problems, and I’m not willing to throw MJ aside for that.
So while I am still a big (but conflicted) fan, I probably won’t watch the film, and if I do, I won’t be taking it seriously.
I saw a thread recently that seemed to indicate the Epstien files exhonorated Michael. Apparently it may have been a smear campaign against someone on the spectrum that wouldn’t work with them. He was notoriously picky about who he would work with.
Epstien files exhonorated Michael. Apparently it may have been a smear campaign against someone on the spectrum that wouldn’t work with them.
I haven’t looked further into it myself, but I also heard much the same.
Props to him if this is anywhere close to being real. He was one hell of a damaged person carrying a shitton of psychological scars, but it sounds like he really did care about the kids.
And he was one hell of a good singer. I’ve got most of his albums on vinyl and MP3.
Eh, just because he rebuffed attempts by Epstein doesn’t prove anything. MJ wasn’t into hanging with those Walk Street billionaire types. Besides, he had his own place to entertain kids, if he wanted to.
From what I saw, it wasn’t so much that he rebuffed attempts. Epstein actively implemented plans to destroy him, much like Brendan Frasier, because he wouldn’t play ball.
I have been thinking of that a lot lately. I found that every musician or artist has something wrong with them. It’s fucking hard to find the artist who has the same high quality morality as I have. After all it’s that you accept their insufficiency and listen to good music they have been made, or not listen to music at all.
The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of us all.
Get off your high horse.
Hate it because its Hollywood trash, not because its about michael Jackson.
I mean Thomas Jefferson is on the 5 dollar bill. Do you abstain from $5bills because he sold his black children into slavery?
Abe Lincoln’s not on the $5 bill anymore?
Our dearest friend… That’s Abraham Lincoln on the 5$ bill. George Washington (avid slave owner who used legal loopholes holes to avoid his slaves from becoming free in northern states) is on 1$, and Thomas Jefferson (guy previously mentioned) is on the 2$ bill.
Note just because they got plastered and are constantly out here on a high pedestal does not mean it’s ok to make more pedestals for more horrible people.
You think not raping children is being on a high horse…?
Were you there? If so, hi epstein.
Allegations are easy to make, watch this: Keen flame rapes dolphins who dress too sexy.
What you have in common with MJ now is no court has convicted either of you.
Wow, talk about a high horse to draw the line somewhere beyond not inserting a penis into a child traumatizing them for life
Big talk from you, an alleged rapist.
Which is the same thing as mj.
No
“too woke” was invented by big sleep to sell more Zzzz…
