I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
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I don’t care, do you?
I mean, yeah, kinda. I’m curious
It’s reading less like you’re curious and more like you’re looking for an opportunity to “soap-box”. You keep asking for sources when @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world provided links yet you’re still feigning ignorance of context asking for more sources.
I’m neither side atm, letting the dust settle and seeing if anything comes of it. What’s particularly weird is accounts like yours or others like @TrickDacy@lemmy.world and @SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca who are hitting up every single post with their outrage about anyone considering conspiracy. It’s just literally internet gossip about a failed assassination while pointing out all the events in these posts, yet you guys are twisting it as some moral perversion and are hellbent on trying to discredit anyone with an opinion on the matter.
It’s reading less like you’re curious and more like you’re looking for an opportunity to “soap-box”.
Why do you think this?
You keep asking for sources
Why is this a bad thing? I’m asking for sources so I can look into it myself and gather more information. This is exactly the sort of information you would expect from someone who is curious, so I don’t understand why you’re doubting my curiosity. And wouldn’t a lot of people providing a lot of sources make your case for a conspiracy stronger? I really don’t understand why you’re taking issue with this.
Again, your actions show a disingenuous attitude by selectively quoting a partial sentence,
“You keep asking for sources… when A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world provided links yet you’re still feigning ignorance of context asking for more sources.” (the actual full sentence)
Throw in some MAGA rhetoric comment painting anyone involved not in your favor as republican, asking if I believe it’s a “proven fact” the assassination was faked as some kinda gotcha when I’ve already stated “I’m neither side”.
Here’s the timeline as I saw it: 8:48am, asking for “shot’s fired” source. after, “is it possible that it’s AI?”. 9:48am, you get randomidiots source links. 1:13pm, “I can’t seem to find the source for this.” (was already given by randomidiot) 1:21pm, your longest rant about “objective truth”.
Either you’re not checking sources and demanding for more, completely dense and misreading/illiterate, or some type of combination with the blatant twisting and lack of an actual response besides “Thanks” when someone has proven a fact or event took place with sources.
You’ve also completely moved the goalpost from your original question that is your title, “Why are people speculating that the most recent Trump assassination attempt was fake?” Now, you need “strong evidence” for something people were just originally pondering on for any discussion to be valid. All while selecting the two weakest links as examples, quietly dismissing all the other points that were made. In case you’re still wondering why people are “speculating”, here’s some vids to digest since it seems you’re not interested in reading articles linked to you.
Breaking Points - Conspiracy Theories ERUPT After WHCD Shooting
The Majority Report - Why Was Trump’s Security So Bad For WHCD?
The Humanist Report - The Unintentionally Hilarious Aftermath of the WHCD Shooting
Secular Talk - FALSE FLAG??: WHCD Shooting Makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!
Daily Show - Trump Spins Dinner Shooting for Ballroom Agenda
MeidasTouch - Trump Raises RED FLAGS on Shooting after GHOST WRITING MOTION?!!
Congrats though, you seem to be on the same playbook with the White House administration.
it’s very important to us that we get the truth and the facts about this case and any case out there as quickly as possible to dispel some of that crazy nonsense that you do see uh running rampant online. Um, and I think the Department of Justice and the FBI thus far have done a good job of disseminating the truth and the facts about this uh alleged attempted assassin. - Karoline Leavitt
Jesus Christ man this is schizo shit. Calm down. This post has 265 comments. I was inundated with stuff in my inbox. I wasn’t able to keep track of every link anyone ever sent me, and I couldn’t read every response immediately either
lol predictable
I’m on your side man, but this is one of the tactics trolls/propaganda bots use. It’s called sealioning if I remember right. The idea is to shut down discussion by shifting the burden to the other side asking for “sources” while contributing nothing to the discussion. Real easy to ask for sources, harder to provide and explain them.
It sucks that this is where we are.
The idea is to shut down discussion
I’m the one who made this post. As of right now it has 159 upvotes and 166 comments. Does that sound like shutting down discussion to you?
by shifting the burden to the other side asking for “sources”
Shouldn’t the burden be on the people who are proposing a conspiracy? Regardless, it doesn’t even make sense to talk about a “burden” here (as if asking for a link is that much of a burden). Not everyone is trying to prove a point when asking for a source. Sometimes people just want to look into things further.
I’m on your side man
Thanks. I know you’re not accusing me of anything but I still felt the need to respond
Agree with you here. It’s wild that asking for sources is seen as shutting a discussion down. It’s literally opening the discussion wider - unless the other side wants to take it as some kind of attack.
What’s weird is getting pushback when saying “this is unproven”. No one said anything about moral perversion, we’re rightly concerned that “the left” is gullible enough to jump on a bandwagon and within a couple hours people are acting sure that this was a staged event. This is right wing wacko behavior. It’s not a moral issue, it’s a mental stability issue (or intelligence issue maybe?).
Now, I don’t know why you tagged people here other than to stir up some shit. Maybe don’t do that?
Don’t use a Lemmy feature to add context to my comment? I specifically tagged and addressed you directly instead of getting into your myriad of arguments across multiple posts.
What people are posting and linking isn’t “unproven”. They’re factual events that took place and their opinion on the matter which you seem to have a problem with both.
What people are posting and linking isn’t “unproven”.
Do you think the assassination being faked is proven fact? I think even most people who think it was faked wouldn’t go this far
I’m not surprised they didn’t answer. These people haven’t thought anything they’re believing right now through, and it’s honestly eye opening. The number of people on the left who are wack jobs is quite a lot higher than I realized a couple of days ago.
A sad consequence of them retreating to spaces like Lemmy and Bluesky and cocooning themselves from any dissenting opinion.
This reads like a spoiled child or an adult looking for immediate validation online. Not all of us want/need to be terminally on Lemmy like you’ve chosen for yourself, others have hobbies, responsibilities, and interests outside of the fediverse. Even having near 1k comments myself makes me cringe thinking about all the time I could’ve been doing something else. Everyone doesn’t need to hear every thought vomited out in a comment, nor would this space miss one less person who adds nothing to the conversation but hostility like your mod report shows with so many bans.
You specifically summoned people here to argue with. No one believes that you took the time to @ us because that somehow was helpful to anyone unless they too were looking to argue.
Whether this was staged or not is up for debate, but calling this guy a shooter is misinformation. Show me where this guy fired any shots. The officer that was shot in his bullet proof vest was hit by friendly fire, all shots fired were by law enforcement. If I’m wrong direct me to where there’s creditable evidence that says otherwise.
Because US politics are so polarized now, MAGA types are now matched with conspiracy types that somehow think a sleepy 80 year old man with dementia is playing 4D chess with faked events.
I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?
he apparently hasnt gone to one once since 2011, when OBAMA roasted him.
Well it was also the first one where Grindr promoted it.
You’re thinking about it backwards. It’s the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.
He’s asking why Trump decided to go
Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.
And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.
Seems like a ballthimble would do.
I found it odd that immediately after, “I NEED A BALLROOM!”
And all the sycophants in unison, weirdly right after: HE NEEDS HIS BALLROOM!
This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn’t invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.
It’s the kind of thing he would do. Putin does it all of the time, and you know how Trump feels about him. One time Putin staged a takeover of a theater, and then gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside. They got dragged across the ground and stacked up in public busses to be taken to the hospital. Over 100 died. They refused to publish the actual total. For a press op.
There’s actually no proof the Moscow theatre hostage crisis was staged either. You’re supporting a conspiracy theory by pointing to an another conspiracy that you just made up. Y’all have completely given up on critical thinking.
gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside
That’s terrible! And just double-checking with a bit of searching, yeah, this was a real incident. Whether it was “staged” is unclear (not enough evidence to support or deny it due to the lack of an investigation). But the Russian authorities did indeed release a noxious gas into the theatre without any sort of evacuation or coordination with health services, yet the official report by the Kremlin hails it as a success even though over a hundred people died?! I feel like, staged or not, that is something that should be criticised.
For a bit of context, Russia was invading Chechnya, which declared independence after the dissolution of the USSR, and a Chechen militant group took over a theatre and held everyone in it hostage (how they did that, I’m not sure. Some of the sources blame it on negligence of Russian intelligence, or suggest that authorities in the area were bribed). There was a siege of the theatre, and by the second day, people started to get shot. Afterwords, the Russian special forces gassed the theatre before entering it in an assault, and most of the hostages, as well as the Chechen militants, were killed. Additionally, authorities in Russia did not say what the gas was, meaning the people administering first aid had to guess, causing more death and permanent injuries than was necessary.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theater-hostage-crisis (Britannica)
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/189/9-10/228/7454807 (journal article)
I imagine this video doesn’t help the this was real crowd: https://youtu.be/tw9R4E--I2c
Vid no longer available - what was it?
It’s available to me. Before the dinner, Karoline Leavitt says to a journalist: “He is ready to rumble, I will tell you. This speech tonight will be classic Donald J Trump. It’ll be funny, it’ll be entertaining. There will be some shots fired tonight in the room. So everyone should tune in, it’s going to be really great.”
There will be some shots fired tonight in the room.
This sounds like shes saying that Trump is going to roast people. “Shots fired” is slang for insulting someone. In context I don’t think this is very suspicious
I downloaded it. Let me upload it again somewhere… It’s karoline leavitt talking about a shooting going to happen at the correspondence dinner and it being exciting.
It’s an idiom…
There’s a very detailed American politics podcast here in Australia called PEP that covered the conspiracy theories in their most recent episode. I thought you might be interested in watching. The main section starts from here (I’ve timestamped the link for you), but there’s also some earlier discussion about conspiracy theories as well as just the incident in general that also might be of interest/useful context.
The “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” people had babies, and some of them grew up to be progressives.
Someone I know (who believes the previous one could have been staged) has suggested the opposite. They argue that, in the previous attempt, Trump raises his fist and isn’t very scared, while in the most recent attempt, he looks quite scared and even trips.
I think there’s not enough evidence to say that the previous attempt was staged (but there’s a small chance it could have been), and it is very unlikely that this one is staged.
Fun Fact: The hotel shooter was 2 floors above the President when shots occurred. Orange Donnie was not in any danger.
I don’t know if this is a good metric. A sniper can take you out from standing on-top of a high rise, 30 stories up. Compared to that 2 stories seems pretty dangerous
Two stories above in the same building. Not in a building opposite the hotel. The hotel wasn’t canvassed by the SS? I don’t fucking buy it.
I guess it have been a closed floor plan then?
The quote I saw elsewhere that summed it up best for me is, “even if it’s real, it’s still fake”.
The whole thing was just a bit too rubbish, like, if you were going to try shooting the President, the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it that there’s got to be something else going on.
My favourite conspiracy theory is that it’s their way of getting an already-sympathetic White House press corps to feel like they’re part of the whole thing, that attacks on the President are also attacks on them personally - trying to create a feeling that they and Trump are all trauma survivors who are in it together.
the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it
How come?
I don’t know how to respond to that beyond posting what’s already been said.
a gunman opened fire near a security checkpoint at the event in Washington DC.
He was tackled by agents just short of a staircase which leads down to a ballroom where the annual White House correspondents’ dinner attended by hundreds of journalists and public figures was getting under way.
Officials said he possessed multiple weapons and appears to have acted alone.
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President? Did he think he was Neo or something?
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President?
I don’t find it that had to believe that someone might attempt that. There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
See I think your reasoning there proves my point quite well. If the first explanation you go to is that the person is not mentally sound, then almost by definition these are actions that don’t make sense.
Forgive me if some of the details are a little off, happy to be corrected, but:
- the first attempt during the campaign was almost certainly fake.
- barbie lady said something about “shots fired” a few hours before the incident, as though she had misunderstood something in the group chat.
- last week a judge said the only basis on which Trump could build the Ballroom was over security concerns.
- moments after the incident Trump said that they need the Ballroom because of security concerns at the WH.
- the photos do look pathetically staged, although the videos less-so.
This post really hightlights how stupid some people here are.
First campaign attempt - I don’t think trump would have let some kid put bullets so close to his head
I think the idea is that the bullet never got anywhere close to him. The little nick on his ear was probably just from him getting wrestled to the ground by his bodyguards.
A dude was killed, its not impossible it was the murdered guy’s blood.
That dude that died was somewhere in the audience so way too far away
There is a photo of a bullet flying right past him, a reporter witnessed a piece of his ear come off, and the paths traced into the victims who unfortunately were hit, do show that the bullets went near Trump
a reporter witnessed a piece of his ear come off
Human parts don’t grow back that quick. Or ever, for most of them.
I think the idea is that the bullet never got anywhere close to him.
Didnt the stray bullet kill some people directly behind him?
All those bullets in the people behind him just showed up, too?
“JFK’s head just did that” level of conspiracy ‘thinking’
The little nick on his ear was probably just from him getting wrestled
There was no nick. 3 days later there’s not a single mark. I’m thinking the sharpie washed off.
I thought he hit his ear on the agents holster when they shoved his head down.
barbie lady said something about “shots fired” a few hours before the incident
That’s interesting. Do you know where I find more info on this?
Just google it brother the internet is awash with this stuff right now.
I tried looking it up, couldn’t find anything
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/karoline-leavitt-shots-fired/
TL;DR: the press secretary used the slang meaning “trump’s fiery speech at the dinner will absolutely annihilate our enemy journalists (with jabs)”
I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked, his handlers have proven they are willing to use a fake attempt to gain favor and he seems to be very unfavorable right now.
I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked
What about it was so obviously faked tho?
Umm… Everything? How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting? How many are you aware of where the SS ushers in photographers to take the heroic photos? How many are there where a crane lowers the flag down behind him for the aforementioned heroic photos, again while the shooter is still active?
It’s the worst bitch of a false flag event I’m aware of.
How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting?
He wasn’t president elect at that time. He would have been “former president, and likely (but as of the day of shooting unconfirmed) 2024 republican presidental nominee”.
The attack happened in the summer of 2024. Election in November 2024.
The bullet that grazed Trump’s ear has been analyzed to death as too close to be fatal from the gunman’s distance to reliably stage. There are numerous more plausible explanations than the one the video puts forward.
- It is obvious that there might be good-looking photos if you take enough of them at any historical event. We already know that GOP campaigners cunningly used the assassination to their advantage for propaganda; the staffer is simply realizing that photos off the vent should be taken.
- At the end it looks more like he’s telling the photographers to keep their distance and pulling them away from Trump. There is absolutely no way he can see the camera viewfinder from such a distance, which is needed to decide on how to adjust the framing as the video purports he’s doing.
- The flag is simply being seen from a different angle. Throughout the video, the cameraman is approaching the gates, and then he tilts the camera upwards and then downwards. The former brings the flag into view and the latter is why the flag also looks like it’s being raised right after 0:36. Cross-reference the footage with https://www.youtube.com/live/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=24263 (in both footage you see an agent go to the outermost. in the long livestream this is immediately followed by an agent waving Trump’s red cap.), a wide view, and the flag seems static.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks. Hadn’t heard about any of this stuff before. I don’t know enough to make a judgment yet but I wanted to hear where people were coming from
Their point is that the dinner attempt is just another poorly executed staged attempt for publicity and sympathy from a wannabe dictator that’s losing support extremely quickly.
He started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files. That is so clearly obvious that even MAGA informed have been turning against him.
This reeks of a blatant attempt to artificially increase support like many two bit dictators have done on the past. It worked last time.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks.
so, you were looking for conspiracy bs…?
My question was why people believe this. He told me why he believes it. So that was the information I was looking for. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think the conspiracy stuff is convincing
ok, that is fair point i completely missed…
There is a LOT about the PA incident that is comically sketchy and convenient and suspicious.
Can you please be more specific or provide links or something
Have you watched the videos? Nobody at his table reacts (or rather they react very slowly). The SS gets Vance to safety first, and they take 21 seconds to get to Trump. I’m not an expert, but as I’ve seen a military person describe, this is astonishingly long.
In addition, there’s weird things like one of the fox reporters talking on air about how Carolyn Levitt’s husband was telling her they had to “keep her safe” or something, and the phone call was mysteriously dropped.
Carolyn’s comments about “shots will be fired” before the event
The fact that Trump has always avoided going to this event, like he had no previous interest in it at all
The fact that it was an EXTREMELY secure event and the shooter wasn’t shot down immediately, and somehow got through all that security with several weapons?
The way they just continued ahead with the event… Like no if anyone expected that there even an inkling of real trouble they would have shut it down immediately.
And that IMMEDIATELY after it happened, right wing influencers started posting about why the ballroom needs to be secure (which it is speculated was the whole reason for this debacle)
I’m sure more concrete evidence will come out in the future but they’ve done this dumb shit enough that it’s pretty safe take speculative evidence at face value, and even if not, it’s then a story of the boy who called wolf.
They didn’t get him down on the ground and instead they moved the flag and photographers into position so they could take pictures. If they were afraid of the shooter taking another shot they would have gotten him out of there immediately, but they weren’t afraid because they knew it was staged and they had the photo op all ready to go.
I see
On top of that, lets say it were real…why have we not heard of any trial? We sure hear about every little detail from Luigis court proceedings. I remember last month reading they moved which cell he’s in.
Not moving jails. Just “you’re in this cell…well now you’re going to that cell over there”. That made the news. But the guy who tried to shoot trump just vanishes? The media doesn’t mention his name after a day or two.
Then you got trump sticking his thumbs up over the secret service. You’re telling me the guy who IN HIS HEALTHIEST DAYS OF HIS YOUTH dodged a vietnam draft, but in his elderly years is fighting 10 secret servicemen to stick his bloody hand up to give a thumbs up while an active sniper is trying to shoot him???
The photo op was far too pointed and choreographed.
Normally, secret service are more efficient than that.
In addition, Trump didn’t act scared. Later, he put the golden ratio photo op photo on his wall.
And he immediately started in on the ballroom stuff.
There is some suggestion that google trends shows people in a controversial far away US ally were googling his name about 12 hours before he made his move.
Because the fact of the matter is, his PA ‘attempt’ stinks to high heaven. USSS broke numerous protocols with that incident, and you literally see people coordinating and ‘directing’ his fight fight fight shot.
Once is happenstance,. twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern.
He’s had three of these incidents if you include the bushes in Mar A Lago dude. And what happened here? Did we have congressional reports detailing these events, the places they took place, suspect motivations, and the data broken down for everyone to see what went wrong?
No. We didn’t have anything of the sort.
We will not for this one either. Because this likely is more theatrics from a historically unpopular administration.
Yeah as a non American it’s kinda like okay is this fake or are you guys actually just not that great at shooting your targets 😅 c’mon, if these are real you gotta start questioning your nations eyesight or something 😂
