Severing ties with the US can take more than a year and cost thousands of dollars. But Paul, Ella, Margot and thousands of others feel they have no choice
There’s a lot I didn’t know about the process. It’d be interesting to get the view of US members of this community.
We don’t judge what people do vs how brave we feel they should be – walk a mile and all that. The Queen King has my name on-file, no fortunate son, but I’ll definitely not relish the day when his GG’s rep comes knocking to reactivate me.
I try not to shame anyone but I do honour those who take a stand, even in the face of fear. As far as fleeing violence, I don’t think we’ve gotten there yet. It’s about fleeing ideology. More like not liking the new HOA president, so moving out of the neighbourhood.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Very important, but are you fighting that fascism? what tf are you doing?
They are fleeing, not only because the state betrayed them, but because you do so too. You are a hypocrite, expecting everyone else to fight for freedom while you demostrably arent doing it. Dont want them to flee for their safety why arent you fighting then?
You just know that once they are gone, you will be the next target, and no one will protect your ass, because your ass actually deserves it.
Renounce their citizenship? What about fight for their country? The land of the free and home of the (not so often) brave.
Never shame anyone who is fleeing violence.
That is precisely what they intend to do and it’s not the first time I’ve seen it from them
We don’t judge what people do vs how brave we feel they should be – walk a mile and all that. The
QueenKing has my name on-file, no fortunate son, but I’ll definitely not relish the day when his GG’s rep comes knocking to reactivate me.… You seem to not realize I’m standing against judging these people?
I try not to shame anyone but I do honour those who take a stand, even in the face of fear. As far as fleeing violence, I don’t think we’ve gotten there yet. It’s about fleeing ideology. More like not liking the new HOA president, so moving out of the neighbourhood.
Don’t mind state masked gangs disappearing and shooting people in the streets. The state violence that makes people flee is already here.
I’ve heard some bad USA HOA stories. I fully support this.
When we fix it, they don’t get to come back.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
Those fleeing intend not to be your human shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
You seem to expect and even demand that affected minorities stay and protect your comfort.
This country failed them, they fear for their safety and even lives. and you’re upset they aren’t staying to fix it?
It isn’t a “oppression Olympics” it is people fleeing for their safety. And maybe when we fix things, they could return.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
sounds like you’re part of the problem.
Very important, but are you fighting that fascism? what tf are you doing?
They are fleeing, not only because the state betrayed them, but because you do so too. You are a hypocrite, expecting everyone else to fight for freedom while you demostrably arent doing it. Dont want them to flee for their safety why arent you fighting then?
You just know that once they are gone, you will be the next target, and no one will protect your ass, because your ass actually deserves it.
This is all my fault? And I’m a victim? Interesting take. You shouldn’t type in anger. Slow down and take a think or two.
So, when it isn’t affecting you, you don’t need to fight the tyrannical government?
yes, it is your fault, given your own standards. As per your standards, you should be in the streets fighting. but you admitted you’re not.
Sorry I wasn’t able to help you. I failed, I guess. Is there a close relative you could reach out to?