most happy and healthy kids have a unique desire to learn and trying to suppress that is unhealthy
things like screen time, finish your plate, etc
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to
“finish your plate” I was never told that as a kid and I devour anything that is given to me
Because you don’t have the experience to have any wisdom at that point. You might have knowledge, but knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing.
I suspect the very small number of people I have blocked on the Fediverse are minors or very young adults. You can tell.
you only think “you can tell” as you only notice when it’s obvious - same with face surgery, trans people, etc
Because many adults don’t acknowledge that they are a part of their kids’ learning expperience.
They assume that kids will magically become smarter the second they turn 18, and don’t understand that kids have to be exposed to information and some adversity before then (ideally with guidance from parents) to learn enough.
Social media is very addictive, because it’s designed that way… so let’s regulate the social media and their intentionally addictive practices, rather than blaming kids and ripping them away from some of the only “socialization” our society allows kids to have.
“Go bike to your friend’s house” doesn’t work, because the last two generations have built eight-game highways everywhere.
the only bike that a kid can safely ride nowadays is a dirtbike
Teenage years are known for being rebellious and older adults generally correctly remember themselves as being wreckless and rebellious at that age. It is a part of being human.
That said, if you want to be treated as wiser and “older” than you are, I would have to ask what is it about you that make people think you’re young? I’ve had several cases in my teenage and early adult life where people assumed that I was far older than I was, mostly in part due to how mature I acted in given situations.
What is it about how you conduct yourself on the Internet that makes people think you’re young and immature? You could be acting your age, but it sounds like you’re frustrated with people treating you like you are at your age’s maturity level.
Ultimately, I think it’s a convenient excuse to cover for how truly difficult it is to teach people important things.
The adult mostly doesn’t actually remember the specific logical and/or experiential steps that contributed to whatever understanding they now have. The events are too disconnected in time, and too large in quantity to really parse that way. You need that background info to teach well, though, otherwise you can’t handle questions, you can’t explain, etc, which are all genuinely important parts of teaching.
So, it’s easier to just handwave the problem away and focus on going to work, whatever is for dinner tonight, what’s going on in the neighborhood, cleaning the house, etc etc etc, and leave the teaching to the ostensibly qualified people.
If you want to attempt to do things differently, when you learn something life-lessony, remember that to teach it to a teenager someday, it’s not good enough to have just learned the thing. You’re also going to have to be able to offer a decent-enough explanation and answer any questions.
not wasting food is a good thing to learn and tons of screen time can never be for the right purposes. Its good to learn how to use computers right and have fun with them but moderation like in anything is always important.
I really miss when it was just the nerds on the internet learning, not slopspeople binging slopflix and having their kids scroll sloptube
I remember me when I was a teenager: I was a dumbass.
Everybody I knew from school? Also some sort of dumbass.
I was slightly less of a dumbass at 18, but still definitely a dumbass. I think that number just gets settled on because it’s the legal age where you are considered an adult (though by actual biological standards, your brain doesn’t even finish developing until 7 years later).
Is it stupid? You bet!
That’s probably the main reason for it though. More likely than not, you’ll look back at your teenage years 20-30 years later (or sooner) and realize how foolish you were. Wisdom usually comes with age (though not always).
that is YOU and YOUR enviroment
“Wisdom usually comes with age”
age is like the last factor Usually NO ONE teaches you wisdom until you are old and then you have enough time for it
This is why im so happy I grew up around extremely wise people and the catholic church
No one ever teaches you wisdom. Wisdom is something you gather on your own with experience. Wisdom can’t be taught or there would be a lot more of it.
and the catholic church
Ah, I see what’s happening here. Trolling.
am I the only catholic on lemmy?
I don’t think Catholicism is the source of your downvotes…
Because as stupid as the average person is, half of them are dumber than even that. The ignorant punch down to feel special.
The experience of someone younger doesnt match the one of an older person.
Also, youth tends to be a little rash.
At 18 you are still stupid but at least you are legally adult. That is it.
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to
Emphases mine. So many parents just plop their kid down in front of a TV or tablet and use it like a babysitter. They don’t teach kids media literacy and just let “the algorithm” keep them entertained so they can have some peace and quiet. And that’s assuming the parents have the requisite media literacy to pass on - many don’t.
im starting my kids on a ctf VPS on a locked down android. If they can pwn it, they get more access obviously
sorry honey you need you need to pwn to own
You dont appreciate how stupid you were until you are older. Then you realize you were stupid when you were younger, and are stupid now, but over different things. If this isnt a persons experience in life, they are almost certainly a Republican. (Joke… Mostly)
This is because with a lot of things in life, you have to actually experience them to figure out if and how you could have handled it better. You dont regret everything you do, but the things you eff up, stick with you…
Former stupid kid, current stupid middle ager.
If you don’t think you were an idiot 10 years ago, you haven’t learned enough in those 10 years
The screens are designed to be addicting. That’s not hyperbole. They literally use data scientists to increase the amount of time and money you spend on them. The longer you scroll, the more time you’re playing the game, the more money the developers make on average. Online service providers don’t care about your wellbeing. Your parents do. Just like there’s more food than chips and cake, there’s more to life than being on a screen. Investing in long term hobbies, skills, and friendships won’t have the instant gratification to compete with a video game, but 10 years from now you will think back way more fondly on your hours skateboarding or learning to play guitar than the ones you lost online.
depends on the way you use it
as a kid, most of the times I WASNT playing vids games but accessing free digital information
and I could wire up an esp32 to a 3 inch display and it’d be a “SCREEN”
and if you use a FOSS enviroment like graphene, this doesnt apply
I “lost online” are you kidding me? I would be homeless and destitute right now if I didnt have the skills I learned from SCREENS as a kid
all of this only applies if you consume TechSlop
You’re totally amazing and stuff but I’m sure you realise that most kids aren’t using their devices to learn.
Obviously, if a kid was reading wikipedia like you did then their parent would relax the screen time rule.
I’m glad you dropped by to tell us all how special you are but I dont really understand the point of this post.
teach them how to use the devices to learn all kids and humans in general have curiosity that needs to be unlocked with wisdom
teach them to use foss
teach them to read wikipedia and github/codeberg
dont limit, add
Wow you just solved parenting. I cant believe everyone else is so stupid. Amazing.
Who are you telling to do all of that? Just, like all parents? Do you think all parents are in this thread?
just the parents in this thread
And why exactly do you think that you have solved this problem? Are you under the impression that you’re the first person to think about this?
this is a very new situation with various perspectives
I am just giving you guys advice on how to deal with it as someone who specialises in “screens” and how they work
You realize you are on Lemmy, right? You are SURROUNDED by people who specialize in “screens”.
clearly not as I can see
you can’t see past your own ego
they don’t. most people have zero curiosity and don’t want to learn.
you’re projecting your own experience. and besides, what you want to learn is probably very tiny slice of what is out there and there are plenty of things others want to learn you don’t or think is stupid.
This is 100% bullshit, most people enjoy learning when it’s presented in an engaging manner. Modern western education systems are not designed to facilitate learning in a natural and enjoyable way, they are designed to psychologically brutalize normal humans into a state of submission sufficient to keep them laboring quietly and profitably for the rest of their lives.
I doubt that humanity would survive pretty long then
humans are born with curiosity and want to learn
and I do not think anything is stupid until I learn about it
Are humans born with curiosity, or does curiosity need to be unlocked with wisdom? You’ve said both now.
they are born with it, but it needs to be unlocked
how old are you? you argue like a 16 year old.
a bunch of grandiose statements that are mostly your own projects of yourself into the world.
the irony being that your commentary in this thread prove that you are unwise and inexperienced in the world, and that young people are not wise. and you feel like your some counter-example, but all you are showing is you are a perfect example of and arrogant teenager who thinks lacks the maturity to understand the world exists outside of themselves and their experiences are incredibly limited.
im about three and a half thank you for the compliment
most of the times you dont need twenty thousand rules for your kids they will learn what makes them feel like krud and work on it
wisdom at 18? fuck me, im 61 and the only thing I’m certain about is that humanity, myself included in that venn diagram, lacks any wisdom at all.
