I did some analysis of the modlog and found this:
Ok, bigger instances ban more often. Not surprising, because they have more communities and more users and more trouble. But hang on, dbzer0 isn’t a very big instance. What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?
Ok, so lemmy.ml, dbzer0 and pawb are issue an outsized amount of bans for the number of users they have… But surely the number of communities the instance hosts is going to mean they have to ban more? Bans are used to moderate communities, not just to shield their user-base from the outside. Let’s look at the number of bans per community hosted:
Seems like dbzer0 really loves to ban. Even more than the marxists and the furries! What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?
Raw-ish numbers and calculations are in this spreadsheet if anyone wants to make their own charts.
Alternative view: Why is dbzer0 the only instance that holds people accountable for their actions? Why are all other instances letting things slide?
Because it is. Hence why zero international human rights councils have ever found evidence of genocide.
Ha, I think that’s what got me banned from there as well. Good riddance.
“I discovered a community of people disagree with me about something I think I understand quite well. It’s the same community that originated Lemmy, it’s a community of people who actually come from and live in different parts of the world, and it’s the same community many folks just sign up to incidentally when they first check out federated stuff, meaning nothing by it. Better just block the entire thing, lol, I sure know what I’m doin!”
You really sound like a jackass lmao
believed the Uhygur genocide was a hoax.
Even Wikipedia had to change the name of the “Uyghur Genocide” article because there wasn’t enough evidence, lol.
If you havent been banned on lemmy.ml you either dont interact with that instance or you might have to rethink you political ideas. Being banned on ml is quite the certificate for not complete brain dead.
I’d be curious about stats on downvoting as well. Anecdotally, downvote frequency seems to vary by community. Personally, I don’t downvote for differences of opinion, and instead withhold upvotes, with downvotes reserved for blatantly toxic behavior. The etiquette across Lemmy seems varied, though.
Is this permanent bans and/or temporary bans?
Well it makes complete sense. ML, dbzero and the furries are instances that committed to upholding their code of conducts which moderates and bans people for antisocial behaviors like transphobia and racism for example, while instances like world and sjw are known to rarely if ever ban or moderate people for things like that to the point instances like beehaw had to defederate from them so they wouldnt get swarn by their unmoderated users
On world big communities you can get your comment removed for the word stupid but are allowing someone to say most palestinians was not forced to leave during the nekba or claim that israel never target civilians despite all the proofs saying otherwise
Their umbrella for antisocial behaviors is pretty extreme though. For instance the defederation you’re talking about, I believe it was because the sjw admin wouldn’t ban a user who said “trans women should be allowed in all sports, but the Olympics is a different case because small advantages matter much more there.” You can think that’s right or wrong, but I don’t see any universe where this is transphobic.
I guess you don’t filter out things like dubvee or DB0 who when you get banned on an instance level you will also be banned on a tonne of communities or if you downvote one post in a community run by draconic neo they will ban you from half a dozen communities inflating their numbers.
Here’s an explanation of the pawb.social numbers:
Kinda shocking to learn that satansmaggotycumfart is among the ban-happy ones.
draconic_neo’s thing is to moderate like a huge amount different communities, all of which have zero activity, so they can spam people’s admin log with libelous ban reasons. The amount of work they put into being petty is pretty astonishing.
See my comment mod history. In under a minute, I received approximately 40 bans from a bunch of communities for ‘transphobia’. I don’t make transphobic comments (feel free to search my comment history) and I’ve never posted in any of these communities.
If you take the time and look into the communities. You’ll find that every single community is moderated by draconic_neo and has zero activity actual user activity. The communities only exist to spam people’s mod log with bans/squat popular topic names.
e: Another user in this very thread with the exact same ban spam behavior: https://lemmy.world/post/46317965/23518971
You’re not an admin, how did you pull a database?
Many admins/mod use alts to actually participate in the community because people get weird about a M or A next to your username.
Got it from Rimu
Did you go by total bans or only instance bans when they are admins?
Because if it was total bans, then I can think of admins of two other sites who’d be over 300
What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?
We get a graph that compares two unrelated values?
Unless this data is purely internal instance user bannings, ‘Per capita’ has no effective meaning. As the pawb.social case shows: it’s all one user with multiple communities who regularly bans waves of sockpuppet brigades. Even the people catching strays or otherwise goes to show it has nothing to do with ‘the furries’.
Likewise I wager the SJW bans are effectively one community banning essentially one user who periodically spams accounts.
What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?
That whole painfully public fued against db0 over their stance on zionism may have something to do with it. Like the fake neo-nazi shit being spread against db0 that was just going on this week. It’s a wild question to have in light of all that, quite frankly.
Interesting that you chose ban when your favorite move is to just delete users you don’t like from the database on piefed.social and won’t show up in this dataset. Of course, you won’t see this reply because of that.
Analysis of potential causes aside, thank you for sharing such interesting data!
Unsurprisingly .ml is a shithole everyone thinks it is.
The overwhelming majority of bans on Lemmy.ml are temporary, and the permas are for repeat abusers, or bigots.
Ar nar, you’ve summoned the butthurt tankies!
Roll for initiative.
Starting the y axis at 0 is the one true way.
But the funny thing is the only popular community on db0 is a place to complain about mods…
Yeah, I have serious concerns about that community being on that instance given who runs it
Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards is not even in the top 10 . You seems to love lies all the time
I have no idea about pawb.social, but it’s almost certainly heavily bloated by bans for downvoting on AI communities on dbzer0 (and maybe some other communities).
After hearing for years about how Blahaj is the worst and you will get banned for anything and everything because the mods are so hypersensitive: lol. lmao.
I was actually expecting the opposite: that there would be lots of bans because Blahaj is such a visible target for trolls and haters.
I am very happy that the communities there are peaceful. Y’all deserve to flourish and grow and be your best selves, and the rest of us doesn’t do enough to deserve you.
Isn’t it really easy to get unbanned from blahaj by just apologising?
Yeah, from what I’ve seen Ada it’s very willing to forgive and unban people who apologize and seem to have learned something. But it seems like the vast majority of people banned for transphobia or other bigotry would rather double down. Sucks to suck.
Yep, pretty much. We also don’t care if people ban evade, if evading the ban means they stop the behaviour that got them banned the first time around.
The goal is to make a safe community, not to punish people.
Well that’s still possible. No real conclusions can be drawn here. It’s quite possible blahaj is the most ban-happy instance. These numbers need to be weighted by number of users, aka measured per capita, to provide any real conclusions.
Do you mean a bans per capita graph other than the one in the post body?
whoops!
