Following a series of leadership changes recently, Xbox has started officially teasing its next console, codenamed Project Helix, which will play "your Xbox and PC games."
I worked at Microsoft in the early 2000 era. before Xbox. I did the top level os consumer support stuff. not for corporate but for the general public that uses the os support channel. one day I was in a discussion group and we talked about what you think about the future kinda thing. it was supposed to be a relaxed discussion but once I brought up Linux and older hardware, I felt the temperature changed. it was later explained that I was black listed for my argument because it expressed that flaws in Windows and the potential of Linux. Years later I joked with a friend who still had an MS job, that putting the Linux subsystem in Windows was admitting I was right back then… this new Xbox coming out in competition to the steam system just makes me feel so justified. Microsoft will always be a second best because they can’t break the internal mindset that they are the top
Um…when it comes to desktop OS’s, they ARE the top, and always have been.
And even if you remove windows entirely, Apple becomes number one. Not Linux.
Last I checked, the highest Linux as a desktop usershare ever got was something pathetically small like 5%
And the reason for this is Linux developers design their OS as if the user knows what they’re doing.
Windows designs their OS as if the user is clueless.
So users who know how to use their computer, use Linux. And idiots use Windows. Well it turns out the world is full of idiots.
I tried explaining how to install a program in terminal to someone who’s never touched linux.
“sudo apt install program”
And her response was “ooooh, no no no no no! That’s too much for all that! Ain’t nobody got time fo’ all dat!”
I have no idea which OS she’s using these days. Haven’t talked to her in years.
But if I had to bet my life savings, I’d bet she’s still never touched Linux.
I’ve said it a million times. The year of linux will come 5 years AFTER a distro is released which not only holds the users hand, but handcuffs it. Does EVERYTHING for the user, so the user never ever ever ever has to even know how to do anything. Update a driver? They don’t even know how to do it in windows! You think they’re going to try their hand at updating kernals and such in Linux?
My mum, who is in her 60’s, and never used anything other than Windows is on Linux Mint for nearly two years now and has no problem using it. I was surprised she has even explored features like virtual desktops and is using them now. She is far far away from being a tech person. And she never needed to touched a terminal while using it.
But I needed to install Mint for her. I think she would have given up at the point where the boot order had to be changed to start from the USB with the live/install media. And this is the biggest downside of Linux: You can’t just buy the average consumer pc/notebook with a pre-installed Linux. It is always windows installed. That’s why people keep using Windows. Not because Windows is better.
When you look at this tiny specific section of all computer hardware, then windows is still on top.
Okey.
Android, Robot vacuums, smart tvs, some airconditioning and air fryers, smartfridges, doorbell cameras… they most likely all run a version of the linux kernel. Consumers own more Linux than windows devices and don’t even know it.
And this was already true before valve quite literally started creating consumer gaming hardware with a full linux desktop experience, of which again some people have these and don’t even realise it is.
Let me get this straight. When you think of the “linux experience”, you think of refridgerators, air fryers, and vacumes. Your words. That’s your mental image of Linux.
While at the same time discrediting the desktop experience as “a tiny specific section of computer hardware”.
Now personally, I think Android SHOULD be counted as Linux. I’ve even asked why there isn’t a Linux distro that’s just Android for the PC. However, whenever I ask that question, instead of anyone answering legitimately, I get told that’s not what Linux is.
And the sad thing is, I think that would BLOSSOM the Linux userbase on PC. The power supply on my PC died a month ago, and before I found a bandaid solution, I was using my phone in dex mode for two weeks. It was a flawed but decent experience. The type of experience that would be a lot better if it were more common. But it’s not. People just don’t use their phones as PC replacements like I did for 2 weeks.
So me reading your reply, it’s obvious to me that everything you’re saying is a strawman arguement. What’s not obvious is if YOU realize how much of a strawmans arguement it is.
Seriously. You used air conditioners to justify numbers of Linux marketshare. Hang on. I gotta do some photo editing. Let me go grab the dehumidifier and run GIMP on it!
You do know that almost all Windows games can run on Linux? The biggest reason you can’t play some Windows games on Linux is anticheat and even there in most cases it’s the developer deciding to not ship the version of anticheat that works with Linux.
If there was pressure on the developers to make sure their anticheat wouldn’t stop games running on Linux you could just as easily game on Linux as you do on windows.
it’s a life changing event getting blacklisted from something like your career goal. I found a more rewarding career path but it still hurts that I was trying to make Microsoft a better company and I was outed for trying to argue that Linux wasn’t going away and Microsoft had to recognize it’s strengths
I worked at Microsoft in the early 2000 era. before Xbox. I did the top level os consumer support stuff. not for corporate but for the general public that uses the os support channel. one day I was in a discussion group and we talked about what you think about the future kinda thing. it was supposed to be a relaxed discussion but once I brought up Linux and older hardware, I felt the temperature changed. it was later explained that I was black listed for my argument because it expressed that flaws in Windows and the potential of Linux. Years later I joked with a friend who still had an MS job, that putting the Linux subsystem in Windows was admitting I was right back then… this new Xbox coming out in competition to the steam system just makes me feel so justified. Microsoft will always be a second best because they can’t break the internal mindset that they are the top
Um…when it comes to desktop OS’s, they ARE the top, and always have been.
And even if you remove windows entirely, Apple becomes number one. Not Linux.
Last I checked, the highest Linux as a desktop usershare ever got was something pathetically small like 5%
And the reason for this is Linux developers design their OS as if the user knows what they’re doing.
Windows designs their OS as if the user is clueless.
So users who know how to use their computer, use Linux. And idiots use Windows. Well it turns out the world is full of idiots.
I tried explaining how to install a program in terminal to someone who’s never touched linux.
“sudo apt install program”
And her response was “ooooh, no no no no no! That’s too much for all that! Ain’t nobody got time fo’ all dat!”
I have no idea which OS she’s using these days. Haven’t talked to her in years.
But if I had to bet my life savings, I’d bet she’s still never touched Linux.
I’ve said it a million times. The year of linux will come 5 years AFTER a distro is released which not only holds the users hand, but handcuffs it. Does EVERYTHING for the user, so the user never ever ever ever has to even know how to do anything. Update a driver? They don’t even know how to do it in windows! You think they’re going to try their hand at updating kernals and such in Linux?
My mum, who is in her 60’s, and never used anything other than Windows is on Linux Mint for nearly two years now and has no problem using it. I was surprised she has even explored features like virtual desktops and is using them now. She is far far away from being a tech person. And she never needed to touched a terminal while using it.
But I needed to install Mint for her. I think she would have given up at the point where the boot order had to be changed to start from the USB with the live/install media. And this is the biggest downside of Linux: You can’t just buy the average consumer pc/notebook with a pre-installed Linux. It is always windows installed. That’s why people keep using Windows. Not because Windows is better.
So to summarize,
When you look at this tiny specific section of all computer hardware, then windows is still on top.
Okey.
Android, Robot vacuums, smart tvs, some airconditioning and air fryers, smartfridges, doorbell cameras… they most likely all run a version of the linux kernel. Consumers own more Linux than windows devices and don’t even know it.
And this was already true before valve quite literally started creating consumer gaming hardware with a full linux desktop experience, of which again some people have these and don’t even realise it is.
Let me get this straight. When you think of the “linux experience”, you think of refridgerators, air fryers, and vacumes. Your words. That’s your mental image of Linux.
While at the same time discrediting the desktop experience as “a tiny specific section of computer hardware”.
Now personally, I think Android SHOULD be counted as Linux. I’ve even asked why there isn’t a Linux distro that’s just Android for the PC. However, whenever I ask that question, instead of anyone answering legitimately, I get told that’s not what Linux is.
And the sad thing is, I think that would BLOSSOM the Linux userbase on PC. The power supply on my PC died a month ago, and before I found a bandaid solution, I was using my phone in dex mode for two weeks. It was a flawed but decent experience. The type of experience that would be a lot better if it were more common. But it’s not. People just don’t use their phones as PC replacements like I did for 2 weeks.
So me reading your reply, it’s obvious to me that everything you’re saying is a strawman arguement. What’s not obvious is if YOU realize how much of a strawmans arguement it is.
Seriously. You used air conditioners to justify numbers of Linux marketshare. Hang on. I gotta do some photo editing. Let me go grab the dehumidifier and run GIMP on it!
While it’s possible Linux is a better system for games…most games (that’s are awesome…) run on windows…with very little Linux support.
Steam fixes a lot of that with Proton.
The stuff you can’t really do on Linux is anything with Kernel Anti-Cheat, which you don’t want infesting your device anyways.
You do know that almost all Windows games can run on Linux? The biggest reason you can’t play some Windows games on Linux is anticheat and even there in most cases it’s the developer deciding to not ship the version of anticheat that works with Linux.
If there was pressure on the developers to make sure their anticheat wouldn’t stop games running on Linux you could just as easily game on Linux as you do on windows.
How long can laurels be rested on? Apparently at least 25 years.
it’s a life changing event getting blacklisted from something like your career goal. I found a more rewarding career path but it still hurts that I was trying to make Microsoft a better company and I was outed for trying to argue that Linux wasn’t going away and Microsoft had to recognize it’s strengths