Lots of layoffs (“re-evaluating our operational footprint”) and switching to “agentic” processes. Target user is AI.
Anyone still hosting Gitlab?
Ok what are we going to call them now? Gitslop? Sloplab?
Forget they exist and don’t call them anything.
They once were a promising alternative to MS GitHub but now they’re going down the same route.
Besides their pipelines being miles better, they never wete that great of an alternative.
2018 when Microsroft acquired GitHub it was the largest competitor with similar functionality as far as I know. I used if for a few years before switching to selfhosted Forgejo because selfhosted GitLab back then was painfully annoying and complicated to setup and used enormous amounts of resources and also felt more aimed towards corporate users.
All I see is layoffs and creating office space to force people to go to office. Well RIP Gitlab.
Shameful behaviour.
An almost inevitable result of venture capital, IMHO.
Some examples of the mindset we expect every team member to embody:
- I take pride in my work because it delivers real outcomes
fucking drones
I care deeply for the customer and the business health
Sure bud
Oh god that is so cringe. Just getting into coding i have no idea what to use as an online repo. I dont want to use github because microsoft but i want the basic repo collaboration features to be available cloning, pull requests, issues etc.
Codeberg for hosted, Forgejo for selfhosted.
They are great.
For a beginner, I’d probably stick to Github initially, just because there’s so many guides and tutorials on how to use it, and their free plan is still pretty generous.
A lot of the knowledge is transferable though. If you do want to try something else, Codeberg is pretty good for open-source.
To just learn about Git, you don’t even need a host like Github or Codeberg. You can have a Git repo just on your computer, and still get a bunch of the benefits of source control - a full history of everything, separate branches and worktrees so you can have multiple incomplete changes and switch between them, etc.
Codeberg, I can recommend
Isnt codeberg centralized? I worry it will run into the same issue as github. I was checking out Radicle but its cryptic and hard to search for other projects.
It’s funny coming from the Plex thread into this; ~100% of people who keep using Plex do so because it’s centralised and it makes sharing their library with their network of family and friends easier.
The truth is; a lot of us feel like we need more internet accounts about as much as we need genital warts. Part of the reason GitHub got successful was the fact that you only needed to register once and you had access to fork and PR all the repos on there.
Decentralisation is great for self hosting things for, well, yourself and your household, but it’s got hefty downsides. Account creation is a friction point for others to join and collab.
The truth is; a lot of us feel like we need more internet accounts about as much as we need genital warts.
You are confusing decentralized and fragmented (or self hosted). The promise of fragmented software (like Lemmy) is that there are many instances but an agreed upon protocol. You create one account on one site and then use it to pull and push data to any other site that uses the same communication protocol. Like you and I for example. You created an account on lemmy.zip, I created one on lemmy.world, and we are both discussing a post created by a user on lemmy.nocturnal.garden (an instance I have never heard of).
At least with federation a single account gets you access to all the systems. So a truly federated git system would be great.
Even if, switching your used repo hosting service is a matter of minutes if you’re using git. You register on the other site, add your SSH key, update the remote URL of your repository which is just a
git remote set-url origin <new url>and then hitgit push, probably with something like--forceor another option, kinda forgot the exact name. So that’s something you could easily automate in like 10 lines of bash script for all your repositories.It’s super hard to “trap” people in something like github because git is so open and decentralized. Switching is super easy. Most people who stay on github or gitlab do it because they need the CI/CD pipelines or because they’re lazy and/or stupid.
And the open issues, tasks and pull requests?
Right.
Those are all part of the forge, not git.
- A git migration is easy.
- Forge migration usually requires some form of migration tool to get all the forge specific stuff (like issues, PR’s and todos).
The 2 are very different things.
And what kind of service is gitlab, which we are discussing here, or github which was brought up in the comment, or codeberg?
They are forges.
I think the comment of migrating git, was more for smaller and maybe private projects. Not large collaborations. So only the git part, not the forge part.
When I read this discussion on HackerNews they act like they’re trapped and it would require moving the sun and the earth to switch over.
Yeah sounds like a big nothingburger to me. If you just use gitlab for private projects with basic pushing and pulling without any fancy gitlab features, switching is a matter of minutes.
Now, if you’ve built your entire company setup around gitlab and use everything they offer, yeah switching is gonna be a lot harder and will require more preparation. However, it’s not impossible in the slightest. Even a large corporation with hundreds of developers could make a switch within 2 weeks.
Codeberg is supporting forgejo which Codeberg is built on. Forgejo is ActivityPub powered git repositories. So imagine regular git, but everyone can have their own repos on their own sites and you can still interact with each other. So yes, Codeberg is centealized FOR NOW. But they’re working on opening it up to EVERYONE to run their own and be able to access all the repos you use over the Fediverse.
Just like bluesky is centralised “for now” i.e. forever
Except bluesky is funded by VC and they created their own protocol and federation design.
Codeberg is an open source repo only place, they’re building in AP, they have monthly updates. So nothing like Bluesky.
But I understand the trepidation.
That sounds like the dream.
Will it be possible to have decentralized pull requests? Like I open a PR on my site, my friend reviews my PR on his site, and I get his reviews on my site?
That’s the plan, but it’s still far away
That’s nice
This was always baked into basic git from the beginning if you review your code in E-Mail chains or mailing lists.
Email chains and mailing lists are not really a practical way to develop anymore, and it is increasingly anachronistic (as is the idea of tying your identity to an email which is also baked into basic git). This was the only realistic democratic and federated option when git was designed, but it was never the ideal one. Forgejo is trying to build a better, more ideal, also-federated alternative that is really designed for code collaboration from the ground up. Once the design is stabilized, there’s no reason it couldn’t get built into git also. I would love to be able to create a PR with git itself and have it automatically submitted to the origin repository.
So not really baked in at all then?
why wouldn’t it be? you can send emails from web uis too. you can share diffs however you desire. you can have a remote for each developer, and push/pull changes to each other. the github mindset kind of ruined the resilience and distributedness of git: one central remote, one account authority, one central place where discussing MRs… ever forgejo is not as good as decentralized git: what’s a forgejo identity?
meanwhile git has been decentralized and distributed since day one, linux is still developed in a decentralized and distributed way and forgepub is just not ready and not even close.
sending emails with an attached diff to many ppl is too hard? make a nice offline gui doing that and we’re distributed. github was a psyop to make us un-learn git, making it better is silly, like wasting decades searching for “good cigarettes”
Its centralized, but they (forgejo, the underlying software) are building on standards wherever possible so it should be easy enough to move things around. I also don’t really see them breaking bad anytime soon, at some point you have stop worrying and start to build shit.
Oh sorry, I might have misunderstood your question. Yes, Codeberg is centralised, but it is registered at a public e.V. in Germany making it more open (not a company).
But then you could use what they use, Forgejo to self host.
Or Gittea as suggested by somebody else.
It is but they’re working on federation for forgejo (which powers Codeberg).
If you don’t want to host something yourself, check codeberg
I like codeberg and have no plans on migrating away from it, but their codeberg Pages product is…weak to say the least. There’s very frequent downtime. I had multiple users reach out to me letting me know my site was down… embarrassing. I set up kuma uptime checks on it, and now I see when the outages happen.
Forget “four 9’s” or anything close to that…my 30 day uptime is a measley 91%…
Github seems to be down a lot, too, although perhaps not their pages part. Perhaps you could try to have just the pages in some other place?
That’s true! I’ve read recently that GitHub’s uptime is pretty terrible too.
My site is low enough stakes that I can live with it on codeberg. I just relaxed the uptime check a bit so it only alarms if I have an extended outage. Even so, the alarms aren’t actionable to me…other than maybe announcing to my users that there’s an outage rather than having them ask me if I’m aware of the outage.
They communicate that openly tho:
Regular maintenance window: We’re meeting every Tuesday starting 18.00 Berlin time (currently 17.00 UTC), lasting up to 8 hours. While we announce large scheduled downtimes in advance, there might be minor interruptions due to maintenance work happening during the meeting. Please be patient in this case.
https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
Not sure if that’s also for the Pages feature, but in general having a weekly 8hr maintenance window is not optimal.
That’s true, but even at worst case (full 8 hour outage per week) that’s still 96% uptime.
Most of my outages have been out of that window.
Thats rough. Check out https://grebedoc.dev/ I believe codeberg itself also wants to migrate to that as well, I cant tell you how reliable it is though (I am using hetzner managed for 1.90€/m) is but I dig its simplicity.
Host a Gitea?
Or Forgejo, which is a fork of Gitea and is what Codeberg uses. They explain their advantages over Gitea here: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
Oh dang I didn’t realize! Thank you!! I was just starting to look at those things myself and wanted to also avoid GH. Plus Gitea was available on Yunohost too. I’ve heard of Codeberg, I’ll see if I can host that instead. It’s too bad other companies don’t move away from GH…
Codeberg or sourcehut.
Gitlab was always cringe.
Even cringe as it always was, still a better product than GitHub. Microsoft drove it into the ground, but it was quite bad before as well, comparatively.
Codeberg
I don’t think that they’ve used enough buzzwords.
Increased buzzword utilization is part of their go forward strategy that begins implementation in Q3 pending socialization of relevant KPI. obviously.
Synergizing good EQ through the single pane of glass.
This is why we built and released the Duo Agent Platform in January. Our first quarter adoption is promising, and we’re ready to accelerate.
This is so weird. They gave a Duo presentation at our company and I was a bit second hand embarrassed because it’s just bad.
Anyway, the stock price will probably go up after this announcement…
My work started a trial of Duo and it actually was rather helpful. I liked it better than other teams just copy pasting output from gitlab to claude or something. Integrated well and had the option to hide all of it if you didn’t want any of it.
Stock went down though
Damn
This reads almost like a parody.
The only large mainstream competitor, which would probably benefit from github’s troubles: “We saw github breaking itself regularly because of it’s own slop coding AND flooded with trash vibe coded projects and thought - that’s where we wanna be!”
Gitlab and gitlab-ci really are great and easy to support with little problems as long as you update regularly. It really does look cringe, but they always were chasing current dumb thing relentlesly.
Yeah I like them as well, it’s what we use at work. The article doesn’t leave me optimistic though
- Software will be built by machines, directed by people.
- The agentic era multiplies demand for software. As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
objectively insane.
Governance built into the core.
I still believe that’s not possible, but that’s only my opinion.
As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
This part actually makes sense. Plenty of software doesn’t get written because it’s just easier or cheaper to do without it. It’s why BPM tools exist. Simplify the coding process and you can solve problems more cheaply.
I also think this will kill BPM tools. Why use BPM tooling when creating a real app is just as easy and more customizable?
I see that requires some more explaining my thinking:
There is only demand and supply.
Previously, we had “high demand” and “limited supply” which is what lead to software dev roles being a very well paid job in silicon valley and some other places.
Now, the promise of AI, making software by itself or increasing productivity, if true, mean that supply increases. That makes software cheaper. Theoretically.
But that’s the supply side.
What you’re talking about is also a “I have so much supply, I can now afford to do projects and software I could not do before, because my time, budget, etc. was limited.” But you already had the idea and the “demand” however low priority, already existed.
What isn’t happening, is that some company sits down and suddenly decides that they need more software than they thought they needed. Even the bit that is “replacing real humans” is replacing humans. It’s meeting a demand that was already there in a new way.
Using a metaphor / example, we currently, as humanity, manage to feed ourselves. Or let’s pretend that we do and nobody is starving. Someone claiming that “the demand for food is going to go up” is talking nonsense. They can say that demand for “cheese” or “meat” or “potatoes” will go up. But not food, because that market is already saturated. Because we’re not starving.
Yes, the fact that the demand is there and that the supply gets cheaper will mean that more software will be produced.
But not because of increased demand. AI doesn’t create it’s own demand.
…at least that’s my thought process and why I wrote what I wrote in the original comment.
I see what you’re saying. That makes sense. It’s an overloaded term.
In economic terms, a price drop would result in an “increase in demand”. Because current demand is the amount request “at current price”.
And that’s why it’s always talked about in relation to demand curves. Or how much demand there is at many theoretical.prices.
I like AI and use it. This post was just sad. What a crazy way to announce you don’t have an AI product while saying your product is dead.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters Git Popular version control system, primarily for code Plex Brand of media server package SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access
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Is every mother fucker just going bat shit insane this year? Goddamn it.
Ouch. My company was just about to start moving over to GitLab off of Atlassian.
That makes sense, since Gitlab seems to be trying to challenge Atlassian. In who manages to make worse software…
We use atlassian at my job and I hate it
I like that I can read this as you stating you use Atlassian yet hate Gitlab, and the statement still works either way 😅
I always avoided gitlab as much as possible tbh because of how awful the interface is
also I just want to add that we just moved to on cloud atlassian and it is even worse
My condolences.
After having to use their cloud version for a while I can confidently say that everything is even worse now 👍
