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Obviously the republicans are genuinely terrible people
But I’ll give you an equivalence that actually holds up
Both parties have their snouts in the trough and depend on huge levels of external funding which completely undermines your democracy
That is a problem that needs to be fixed
OK, fix it when the government isn’t on a bloodhunt for transgender people, to start with.
Both of you maybe? Why did Democrat took it personally anyway?
Actually, the other side mostly wants things to stay the same. Their constituents, on the other hand, would like to see better healthcare, education, unions, and stronger safety nets. But since the other side aren’t fascists, their voters are stuck with them.
This right here ☝️. The grassroots democrats I could support. It’s the Chuck Schumers and John Fettermans that will undermine the party from within that make supporting democrats difficult.
Why haven’t the democrats kicked out Fetterman?
Because he was elected and is still serving his term?
And it doesn’t appear that he’s the type of person to resign.
Do the 21 people who have upvoted you thus far not understand how our government works?
He was elected in 2022, so his next election is in 2028.
Senators are elected for 6 years. House Representatives have election every 2 years.
Edit: gotta love the down vote, as if facts didn’t matter, just feelings or as if I wrote the Constitution.
How would that work, exactly?
PA senators are not subject to recalls, so it’s out of the hands of the voters. He could technically be impeached and removed from office by the Senate itself… but for what, exactly? It’s not illegal to vote a certain way, even if it’s against the wishes of your constituency.
And even if Fetterman were somehow removed, PA is an extremely competitive state. Remember, he won against Doctor fucking Oz, so the chance of someone even worse coming in to replace him is quite high. The devil you know, etc etc…
Best case scenario is that he gets primaried into irrelevance in 2028 by someone with actual integrity. But even then, I’m not holding my breath…
Rotating villain. He allows them to tell their constituents “we want what you want, we just don’t have the power because of thay one guy, but if you vote just a little harder, we won’t pull the football away this time”, while telling their donors “we ain’t giving them shit lmao”.
The two sides are the people and the state/capital, right? … right?
the “media” doesn’t “think” they all just push their current agenda
So foolish to think this way.
The longer we sit here and make it about the “other” is another day/year/decade that these people play us and stay in power.
“other” … “these people”
The internal contradiction is strong here.
You’re sort of missing the point of the statement. Which would itself indicate it’s not a contradiction at all.
“Othering” people is making a blanket group an enemy. Humans do love to categorize things, and so the process of Othering based on arbitrary or immutable characteristics fits our known human biases well. It’s an easy way to manipulate humans.
“These people” refers not to an arbitrary categorization of people, but rather a specific group of individuals in power right now that are doing real harm to people.
If anything, you could call it a limitation of English as a language, or my poor choice of words, but the statement on its own clearly indicates that there’s no contradiction.
The democrats had the house, senate, and presidency for 4+ years. Where is that Healthcare?
Spoiler: Both sides are bad, they both get paid off. Its just that one side is really fucking honest with you right now … to the point where they commit crimes in public because no one will do anything about it.
The democrats had the house, senate, and presidency for 4+ years
What years where these pray tell? I guess if you don’t mean “4+ consecutive years” but that would be silly wouldn’t it?
Also, why did you fail to mention the Supreme Court? Interesting.
No one said consecutive. That is rarely possible with the usual midterm losses. Biden had 2 and Obama had 2.
Both sides are bad
Cool observation. Here’s a smiley face sticker and a lollipop.
Here’s another observation.
Both sides are NOT the same.
So, in a system where you WILL get one or the other for the foreseeable future, what would you consider to be the intelligent thing to do?
Also, you are wrong. Democrats haven’t held a trifecta for 4+ years since the 1960s. In recent memory their control has only lasted 2-3 years at a time, and you’ve also failed to take into account that many things require a supermajority in Congress to enact and Dem’s total control has typically been by a very thin margin.
Key Periods of Unified Democratic Control (White House + Senate + House):
2021–2023 (117th Congress): President Joe Biden, with narrow House and Senate majorities.
2009–2011 (111th Congress): President Barack Obama, passing the Affordable Care Act.
1993–1995 (103rd Congress): President Bill Clinton’s first two years.
1961–1969 (87th–90th Congresses): Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.
1933–1947 (73rd–79th Congresses): President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the start of Truman’s term.
Where is that Healthcare?
When I was young and broke Obama, during one of those windows of control, gave me affordable healthcare when I had none and he had to fight tooth and nail with Republicans to get it.
You really need to do your homework before you post things on the internet that other people who don’t do their homework will just accept as fact. It really doesn’t help our situation.
And we should thank Trump for opening eyes of so many dumb people that thought otherwise. It had to get really bad before we see any changes. Though I see in comments many are still sucking off dems
Yes, being insane for Democrats is almost (but not really) as bad as being MAGA.
This argument is either based on ignorance or bad faith.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2012/09/09/when-obama-had-total-control/985146007/
“Did President Obama have “total control” of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.”
Dont argue with me. Go argue with history …
117th Congress (2021–2023): Democrats gained control of the Senate (via Georgia runoffs) and held the House, paired with President Biden’s election. The 4-Year Period: This 4-year stretch saw shifting majorities in the Senate, but the Democratic caucus maintained a working majority to control the legislative agenda from 2021-2023, while holding the House from 2019-2023, marking a four-year tenure of overall legislative
You said they had the house, senate, AND presidency for 4+ years. The house yes, presidency yes, senate no. Nothing becomes law without the senate. Your claim was not accurate.
Argue with Google. Not me. Biden had the house and senate.
You sound like AI.
Do you remember Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema? Remember how they kind of held up everything?
Why weren’t they censured? Everything plays out EXACTLY like big business wants it. If you dont understand that corporations have nearly ful control of politics then we have nothing to discuss. Here is the summary … both sides bow down to billionaires and corporations.
The healthcare bill written by Republican Mitt Romney that didn’t have universal healthcare and ended up being a handout to health insurance companies? That bill?
Were you not following the back and forth fight that went on back then for him to try to get anything through? Yeah it’s shit but it’s a lot better than the nothing there was. It was progress and if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children and corrupt politicians then things could continue to progress.
corrupt politicians
Like the dems.
if this country had actual adults in it instead of a bunch of emotional children
Blaming the voters. The endpoint of every democratic argument.
Voters and non voters alike are ultimately responsible for the political makeup of the country, yeah.
I like how you make the most basic truthful statement possible and people still downvote you.
Not a great sign for the future.
Like the dems.
Yeah, cuz both sides are equally corrupt.
Two questions.
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Are you aware that reality is all sorts of imperfect and there will ALWAYS be corruption in political parties?
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Are you aware that for the foreseeable future, and most likely for the remainder of your life, you will have Dems or Repubs in control?
So with those in mind, what good do you think it does to whine about a party having corruption when all parties will always have corruption and it’s our duty to make the best decision within that reality? Such as making sure the WAY, WAY, WAY less corrupt party is in control and not the WAY, WAY, WAY more corrupt party.
Blaming the voters.
Why wouldn’t they be to blame? How do you think the president and members of Congress got there? We live in a nation that willingly elected a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who ran a fraudulent university and charity and already had one massively failed presidency under his belt. Not to mention the open bigotry and obviously low IQ.
This IS a country full of child-like adults, and our government is a testament to that. Of course voters are to blame. We made this happen.
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The person you are responding to was probably still breast feeding during Obama’s presidency. So they’re likely completely unaware that before Obamacare millions of people just didn’t have healthcare and that Obama had to fight like hell with Republicans just to get it done.
Millions of people still don’t have healthcare under the ACA.
The ACA was based on a healthcare bill by Mitt Romney.
You’re literally using a republican bill passed by democrats as evidence for the parties not being the same.
