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    4 months ago

    more widely adopted, integrated, etc

    Ahah, yeah, it’s so wildly integrated everywhere, like drug deals, and illicit payments for scams, and some government sanctioned terrorism, and plain old scams. And gambling, can’t forget about illegal gambling.

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        4 months ago

        But also for all other things. Like, a hammer and a gun can both be used to kill a person, but one is a multipurpose tool that can be misused with various success, and the other is a purposefully created one, and if you try to hammer a nail with it, it will be a miserable experience that yields no results.

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            4 months ago

            I can’t get into the heads of it’s creators, I don’t know what they were thinking. However they created a thing that is absolutely abysmal at being “state independent currency”, addresses the wrong problems incorrectly, to the detriment of what needs to be addressed. It’s sluggish, expensive, volatile, inconvenient, and offer zero error-protection or any protection really. For criminal usage those cons are outweigh by the fact that it’s anonymous and is outside of the laws. For running scams you couldn’t create better environment. You can also gamble on it’s volatility. For anything else it’s less then useless.
            Whether or not it was created with crimes in mind or not is not even that relevant.

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      Yeah. That’s way more wide than it was 10 years ago. You’re sarcastically making their point. It doesn’t get integrated into good things, but the government acknowledging it is a crazy step towards legitimizing it.

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        If you mean the American government, they adopted the technology to run official pump-and-dumps, yes. But that’s actually my point, it’s not used for anything but crimes and gambling, because it’s not useful for anything else, and the second criminals will figure out any other way to transfer large sums of money to each other they will use that instead of clunky crypto, and then it will only be used for illegal gambling.
        I should admit, using crypto is way better than stuffing piles of cash into homemade submarines.

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          I think your point is not actually a counterpoint to theirs. It’s able to be used only for crimes and be more widely adopted and integrated than ever.

          Also, you’re able to exchange Bitcoin for cash now. That’s a gargantuan leap forward in terms of legitimation

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            I cannot understand in what world “being used more by criminals to do crimes” can be considered legitimation. It’s kind of the opposite really. By definition almost.
            You were able to sell your scamcoin for cash since the beginning of it, it was always allowed. It’s not even a step, it’s the same as it was before.

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              I think on the scale from: no one can use it except for drugs on the Internet to: it’s the world currency. crypto debit cards, using crypto as collateral for loans, being able to exchange it for cash and it being used as a fiat currency for high-level crimes by the government is higher on the scale.

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                The only thing that is new about it, is that current US regime got in on the grift and is doing rugpulls left and right. Everything else you’re describing was there already for more than a decade. But now everyone understands that there technology is useless, so there is no pretending that it can be used for anything but crime and gambling. I had crypto ATM outside of my appartment when I lived in a less-then-developed country more than 10 years ago, and back then the idea was that most of those who are using it are scammers or scam victims, but not all, and I’m not even talking about silk road customers. Now this notion is gone.

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        4 months ago

        Girl, your profile pic seems like nft, nobody took anything you’re saying seriously for years, the fuck do you think I’m gonna start now

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          Nft profile pic, .ml account, crypto defender… It’s some kind of trifecta of idiocy but I can’t think of the correct word to define it, if it even exists.
          It’s fucking hilarious though.