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So what does it mean when he says, “That’s an extra $150”? Is that a yes?
I feel like you’re allowed to hesistate and still say a “yes” yes, especially since the “threatened and then said yes” is separate on this. It can be complicated and thought over first, no?
They would have done better to make it more about talking someone into it or pestering them than about “hesitation”. Maybe “reluctant” would have been better.
Sometimes people need to do a little internal status check. “I had a headache all day, am I not feeling it or would it be a fun alternative to ibuprofen?”
Aight, I know this comment is gonna bite me later, but I gotta speak my piece. I’m playing devil’s advocate here. Beastiality, zoophilia, whatever you wanna call it… It isn’t always a case of raping the animal. What is consent? It is ultimately an extremely arbitrary idea that humans fling around. For human-on-human interactions, obviously society has cemented it as something with clear-cut lines and rules. But, that’s pretty much where it ends for us. Consent from animals is not something we ever seriously consider in any way.
Think about it. Did domesticated species, which we have dominated for our benefit, consent? Do dogs consent to anything we put them through as our pets? Do cats? Birds? Bugs?! The answer is no. We cannot communicate with other animals. So we forgo consent when it comes to the animals we interact with. Even when it comes to things that really has no direct benefit to the animal.
All I’m saying is, rape is rape, for sure. But when it comes to inter-species erotica, as a man once called it, it can’t all be rape. Because animals rely on instinct more than anything, especially when it comes to sex. I guarantee a horse will show you when it doesn’t appreciate it being touched in the no-no spot.
Okey doke. Bring on the rain. 🙂↕️
Idk how porn brained you have to be to conflate owning/training a pet with raping animals and whether this a shitpost or you actually think you cooked but approximately 0% of your comment holds any actual logical meaning
Idk how you think you cooked with this braindead comment, if we’re being honest with each other.
My guy you literally generated your own custom definitions of words to use it as a way to compare teaching your dog to speak and sodomizing your dog
Damn, you’re just a whole heaping bag of word-vomit aren’t ya?
Coming from the guy who wrote multiple paragraphs trying to argue for bestiality lmao
And yet you can’t actually argue against me. From one bullshitter to another, good effort(not really).
You need to be sprayed without consent.
So…
Most of our domesticated species actively and wilfully participated in their own domestication in one way or another, because they realized that hanging around humans was good for their survival. Especially cats. They were basically unchanged and never selectively bred past “hey my good mouser had kittens, you want one neighbor?” up until about 200 years ago.
Animals can absolutely tell you “fuck right off I do not want that right now,” but they can also be trained to tolerate a lot against their own wishes (i.e. veterinary procedures) Which… Don’t use that against them just for your pleasure. That’s sadistic. And gross.
Add in that most female animals do not engage in sex for pleasure, barring a select few species that should not be kept as pets, and you have your answer. Don’t be gross. Keep your deviancy to yourself and your chosen, consenting, adult, human partners.
Your best argument is it’s gross. That’s something I agree on. My argument is that not all beastiality is rape as defined by our understanding of consent with animals.
WAT
If you can adequately prove to me that the animal understood and consented then what happens between you and the goat is your own business.
It takes more than enthusiastic participation: it also requires the ability to appropriately conceptualize what’s being consented to. It’s why drugging someone and then using their enthusiasm as consent doesn’t fly, or why a 13 year old can’t consent to a relationship with someone much older than them.A goat understands goat sex well enough that we all generally agree they can consent if they’re obviously into it.
A goat does not understand interspecies sex well enough to consent, regardless of their interest or arousal.At best your claim is that sometimes it’s closer to “statutorily raping” an animal, commonly known as “rape”.
So put the horse back in the barn before you let the horse out of the barn.
Consent does not matter. To say it matters in this instance is insanely hypocritical. Unless you have that stance on literally every other aspect of our dominating other species for both our and their own benefit.
Statutory rape is a legal term for humans. It is not something that applies to other animals. Rape is rape. Since consent does not matter with animals, the best we can do is infer using context. Is the animal restrained in any way? Have they drugged the animal? What’s the relationship between the animal and person? Etc.
If, as you say, consent doesn’t matter for animals, then you can’t rape one at all and we can fall back to the more conventional “abuse”, “mistreatment” or “animal cruelty”.
Your “contextual inference” seems to be the inference of consent, so I’m confused by what you mean. If consent doesn’t matter then clearly it doesn’t matter if the goat is tied to a pole.
I’m not seeing the hypocrisy. If you kill a goat, you’re a goat killer. If you buy a puppy, you’re a puppy buyer. If you fuck a goat you’re a goat fucker, and unless you passed the impossibly high bar of proving consent, you’re a non-consensual goat fucker, commonly called a “goat rapist”.
We let cats go wherever they want and do not touch them without consent (platonic sense).
That’s called being a bad cat owner.
Could probably work out an arrangement with dolphins and higher apes.
Bro, you basically implied I can’t consent.
How so? Elaborate.
it also requires the ability to appropriately conceptualize what’s being consented to.
I have no idea, still up for it.
Mr Hands?
From the grave. OOOoooooOoOo
I don’t think anyone is arguing that animals have no understanding of consent, I think the issue is that there’s a communication barrier in dealing with humans (I.e. they can’t say ‘yes’)
Zoologists have a pretty robust understanding of rape and consent within the animal kingdom, but it’s always through observing interactions between animals.
The point is consent is something that doesn’t matter to the conversation of people who do the deed with animals. I think a much more productive line of questioning would be: Is the animal restrained in any way? Have they drugged the animal? What’s the relationship between the animal and person?
I don’t really care about the hill you’ve chosen to die on, but I will sit here and watch what happens.
I expected more tbh. The day is still young, though.
Must’ve been the wind
Is this about website cookies?
Okay, I’m gonna bite this bait - isn’t consent something decided later? Nobody can prove they said “yes or no” later after all so usually it’s based on who we decide to trust.
So you’re saying that when you have sex with someone, you don’t know if you’re raping them, but you will find out later and that’s normal?
Have you ever had sex? And if so, for how many have you been convicted?
I am saying, that a person can consent now, and then claim no consent and sue you later. Which I hope never happens to you, but the idea is quite an useful loophole.
That’s a poor choice in partners if it’s someone who’s trying to fuck you over. And like the list shows, many “yes” are actually a no. Ive never had issues with any partner I had, as I’m respectful and clearly show them a “no” is an answer that’s completely fine. Also, I prefer both not to be drunk or under the influence of whatever when it’s the first time because it doesn’t feel real and I’m not sure if my partner is still happy with their decision the day after (or me). Even one night stands go with proper communication beforehand and sober (or after only ~2 beers).
So consent should always be defined beforehand, without doubt.
I’ve also cockblocked many because I was in doubt people would be happy with their decision the day after. “Nope, not going to happen, I will bring you home now. If you still want this tomorrow, you should plan a date together and see where it goes. But tonight, it’s going to be a hard no. Off to bed now.”
In all cases they thanked me the day after, whether they still wanted it or not. Better safe than sorry.
By being extra careful and respectful I may have missed out on many opportunities, but at least there’s no one who had regrets or fell forced or anything like that in the moment or the day after.
Good for you.
No, if a person doesn’t want to do something and the other person does something anyway, that breaks consent that second.
Yes, but what if a person decides that while they may have consented originally during the act, they benefit more from saying they have not consented later on? I’m asking about this being quite possibly a profitable endeavor.
Consent can absolutely be decided immediately. But as the situation changes, consent can too. You might’ve been ok with safe sex, and said only “yes” assuming that was the situation. Only to then find out there never was a condom and now you have a greatly increased risk of pregnancy or disease. That consent is now revoked, and retroactively. That isn’t a case of “lol too bad you said yes.”
What about after everyone agrees, the person looks back, and regrets it for some reason.
Can they prosecute for rape, even if you followed all the rules of consent?
Also, one of the reasons I was thinking to just have the other person just tie me to a bed or something and use me, they can do what they want and unless they do something pretty stupid, revoke my own consent. And they literaly can’t be raped if they have to do everything themselves.
No wondering if this person changed their mind or are faking it or something, because they can always just get off, ensuring consent is now just the other person’s problem.
No, I’m asking about changing consent retroactively.
Say I consent today, we have fun… and in a few days I get informed that I could earn some money by claiming I did not consent.
That isn’t a consent issue, it’s a false accusation. It’s common for all sorts of crimes to be used for manipulation; either to deflect blame or to cause damage to someone’s reputation. Even if the language of consent is used, it’s not really about consent; in a different cultural paradigm the same false accusation would be made with different words
Was a thing some years ago thay stirred up drama in the right-wing circles where someone claimed they wanted to bring in laws where you can be satisfied, have good mutual sex, and some time after, decide you feel icky over it, and withdraw consent retroactively.
Prob just someone trying to scare people out of sex.
Tf you mean yes?
I’ve posted this comic a frightening amount in the last few weeks.
Well, that’s one way to stop someone from jumping.
Sexy losers is GREAT! What a deep cut.
So when I’m dead I’m consenting to have my likeness used
Technically, humans are animals so this basically rules out everything except corpses and sentient plants, fungi, and inanimate objects.
Where my shroom coomers at
~Cecilia Granata
That’s really cool!
Oooh, them boletes thicc tho!
I’m going to scroll through this whole comment section and not see a single Sexy Losers reference, aren’t I?
Edit: bjoern’s restored my faith in shitposting.
Ask Trump or anyone that went to Epstein’s island and they’ll say they never heard no and even if they heard no they didn’t understand it and still did whatever they wanted.
Even an enthusiastic yes from a child is still disgusting and criminal
OK ill ask them and report back
Can you ask them where I can get some Tang?
Can I join? I want to axe them some questions too.
Pfft, a simple “Yes” is not exactly enthusiastic consent. I need an enthusiastic consent before I even send the first message.
If it’s not “Gee golly willikers, yes! Yes! A thousand times yes!” with stars in her eyes while she’s farting rainbows, then it’s a no. /s
Uh, how many hues do you need in your rainbow because I found just the right gal for you except her rainbow is all red and made of blood. She’s farting blood.
MY ANUS IS BLEEDING!!!
I AM A BANANA!
MY SPOON IS TOO BIG!
I’d have to disagree with this. My wife has definitely banged me when I was asleep and or drunk. She didn’t ask, but it was yes from me if she did.
I don’t think you should use a generic chart as a guide, it isn’t always that simple, because people aren’t that simple. It’s also not very helpful, people who have morals already know this. The other people know this, they just don’t give a shit, it isn’t they don’t understand. There’s a big difference.
This chart is good for hookups. In long term relationships you can negotiate things like asleep and inebriated while sober or through long term safe sane and consensual escalation. Then you get to enjoy things that are hard to enjoy ethically with a stranger. Hell in most kinky contexts most of these are yes and are replaced with a safeword for “no” but you need more trust for that than you can muster with most strangers.
Dead?
But only if the person has consented to it during their life. Some people are now arranging things, so that necrophiles can have one happy moment in their life at least “the proper way”, some allegedly going even further and letting their bodies to be preserved for sex purposes. While it makes me go “eww”, at least it’s not something like parents letting pedophiles to rape their kids, not the animal stuff, etc…
Yes
That’s right, dead tired of not going to Itchy and Scratchy Land
