This is my first “private” tracker and I’m overwhelmed by the amount of bizarre rules.
I always thought private trackers are just some sort of elitism on piracy so I always refused it, but due to lack of options I decided to try it.
I don’t understand how just seeding back isn’t enough, but they have dozens of weird rules, if anyone can explain me, I’m afraid of asking there.
- They have something about changing IPs, it seems you can’t change IPs too often and you can’t have multiple accounts in the same IP. Why? How does changing IPs affect the seeding process? You’re seeding, how is this not enough?
- They absolutely not allow mobile client, which means, you need to let your PC on all the time, sum this up with the fact that they require 72h seed within the next 30 days, this is a t least 2.5h of seed daily and if you miss one day for any reason it’d be even more for the next days. But my question is about the mobile, why the hell can’t I use my phone to seed? I talked to a mod and they argue mobile isn’t reliable due to battery optimization and it might kill the client. What does this even mean? The way I’ll seed isn’t of their concern as long as I seed the shit, why does they care about how I’m seeding?
- Why the torrent clients are so limited even the version you can use? What it has to do with anything at all? Again, is not seeding just enough?
Where is all the freedom on that shit? So many strings OMG. Is it not simple as:
- Detect the user seeding
- Track the amount of seeding
- If he’s not following the rules, block account, end of story
Why does the means of this process even matter?
I really didn’t like that, it’s such a bizarre elitism. It’s nothing about “sharing”, it’s about putting so many strings that it’ll end up even affecting the ways you can contribute.
I’ve a 128GB smartphone and I never used half of it, if I could seed via my Android on my own terms I could easily seed ~100GB of files 24/7, I’d gladly do that, but it seems they don’t allow it. Their argument about battery optimization makes no sense, since even a desktop (laptop) could stop seeding at any moment when a person closes the lid or left it idle then the it enters in suspend mode.
No I’m not renting a seed box just to seed a few ebooks, I’m talking about ~100GB because I can do that and it’ll almost free for me.
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Don’t bother arguing with the mods. The restrictions are not ideological, they’re technical. They would’ve been fixed a long time ago if they knew how. They won’t admit that tho. They’re stack is quite outdated.
Try out milkie.cc
I do not believe there are any rules, and no seeding requirements.
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I’m pretty sure I am caught up on invite DMs; please re-message me if I missed you.
I hate to tell ya, but out of all the private trackers I know, MAM is the most lax when it comes to rules and expectations
Site rules not technical rules. Others are way lax.
The IP rule is mildly frustrating, but as far as I have experienced the other rules are pretty standard for private trackers. The no mobile seeding thing is something I’ve never considered, though, so that may or may not be an issue elsewhere.
This post is very validating as I have struggled for over a year to get MAM set up and working with a VPN according to all their specific rules and I finally gave up.
I got a seedbox going with fixed IP etc etc etc and it STILL doesn’t work because even though the qBittorrent IP matches, it’s using a proxy and I would need to route the entire container through the same VPN.
I really wish there was another place that had the variety of audiobooks without the headache.
It’s unreal, I’m feeling more monitored than using the Google ecosystem. This can’t be right. I now need to seed a 1MB ebook for 72h ON MY PC. I don’t use PC that often, some weeks I barely boot my PC.
So much strings man. I’m really sorry, I always seeded as hell everything I download, often hit 3.0 on FitGirl games, but now? I only see reasons to try to bypass it with some VPN, fake answers for the interview, download my shit and leave. I’m really sorry, but I’m a pirate, being attached to so much rules isn’t for me.
As an analogy, consider it like joining a gang. If you’re truly an independent free spirit, you truly don’t belong in a gang. This may be not the right path for you. Gangs have rules, often even stricter and more harshly punished ones than the actual laws they’re breaking. If that’s surprising, you probably don’t understand how gangs work. In doing the dangerous stuff they do, they also need to protect themselves (and their shit) from a lot of just-as-dangerous people in addition to the lawful people who want them shut down and imprisoned. They are not places of freedom, they are places of ultraviolence.
That said, if you happen to be the sort of person who wants, say, some of the really interesting drugs the gangs are involved in trafficking, well then, you either have to join the gang, or stay on their periphery and keep a few loose connections with them without ruffling their feathers.
Obviously a private tracker is not quite as violent and high stakes as a gang, but some of the same basic principles more or less apply. You want their loot, you gotta follow their rules, or at least make a plausible attempt to. Don’t draw attention to yourself. Get in, get your stuff, and leave. If you don’t want to join the gang, don’t make a scene, don’t make friends, just keep your eyes open, do your business and then go home and enjoy what you found. It doesn’t have to be that complicated, but don’t oversimplify it either.
It’s also pretty much impossible to seed enough since every file has hundreds of seeders and only gets a handful of downloads every month, you need to seed it for over a year to break even on 1:1 ratio.
I’d check out audiobookbay, I’ll usually go there first because MAM is such a hassle to deal with
MAM is great though, compared to a lot of other private trackers, it’s easy to maintain a good ratio and the community is super nice and helpful
Fr, several years ago, when I got into torrentleech, they absolutely required a modern version of uTorrent, and outright said use of qBittorrent would lead to a ban. Assuming it was a scam by someone who had money to gain from forcing adware like uTorrent on people, I asked about it on Reddit, and no, apparently they were a well-respected tracker at the time. Not to mention the fact that their actual, official guide for getting your ratio up was basically “Go out and harm public trackers.”
Your last comment must be about the “Outside seeding” section of the ratio guide?
I guess it depends on the individual’s attitude toward the entire idea of sharing. To me, I can improve my ratio on a private tracker while further benefitting the whole by continuing to seed what I download on the public tracker. If I’m already seeding the files for one tracker, why wouldn’t I just keep the other one active?
If the attitude is I will download this from the public tracker, stop the torrent immediately, and then seed for my ratio… That’s the kind of person a private tracker probably doesn’t want and maybe won’t last anyway.
Private trackers kinda expect you to have a 24/7 server for seeding. I just keep seeding everything on my homelab indefinitely so I can just ignore all the complicated rules
I don’t know MAM, but I always assume these rules exist to stop abuse or a headache rather than some kind of elitism.
Multiple accounts with the same ip? You get into ban evasion and the argument of “ThAt’s NoT mE, tHaTs XYZ” if you just ban them all.
I’ve read reasons about the client thing, but I don’t remember any, and the mobile thing, probably just stops an argument about “I’m trying, my phone just keeps killing it”. Could it be simpler? Of course, but if you deal with people all the time sometimes it’s just easier to make a rule and be done with it.
I’m not in MAM but the others I’m in have much stricter seeding requirements (like 4 days of seeding in 2 weeks). Like others have said, these rules are there to keep people from creating headaches for the volunteer staff as well as ensuring that you’re contributing something too. These sites have a fixed number of users and if everyone else is constantly offline or doing hit and runs, the whole thing falls apart.
If you’re not setup to where you have a server running 24/7 or can’t get a seedbox, you might use public sources. Since it sounds like you’ll primarily be using a phone you probably don’t even need high bitrate 4K Remux files with 7.1 audio like you’d get on private trackers. Places like TPB and 1337x have most everything popular. For music, SoulSeek is a great option and doesn’t have rules like this.
Well, sounds like I will continue not looking into using private trackers. Fuck that noise.
I’m not on that specific tracker but some of the others have similar sort of rules
They have something about changing IPs, it seems you can’t change IPs too often and you can’t have multiple accounts in the same IP. Why?
That’s generally for detecting ban evasion / duplicate accounts. But I think with most private trackers you’d just need to let staff know if you’re in a shared IP situation.
They absolutely not allow mobile client, which means, you need to let your PC on all the time, sum this up with the fact that they require 72h seed within the next 30 days, this is a t least 2.5h of seed daily and if you miss one day for any reason it’d be even more for the next days. But my question is about the mobile, why the hell can’t I use my phone to seed? I talked to a mod and they argue mobile isn’t reliable due to battery optimization and it might kill the client. What does this even mean?
The mod is sort of right about that one. Most mobile users aren’t even connectable (port forwarded) so that’s problem number 1. And problem 2, yes Android does pause apps for battery optimization - but technically you can configure your Android to not do that for specific apps, not sure if it works for all phones but in mine I just bring up the App Info, go to App Battery Usage, and make sure to enable “Allow Background Usage”… most people wouldn’t really want to do that and run down their phone battery constantly but I guess it’s an option. Maybe bring that up as a tracker suggestion/rule change though it does seem easier just to tell members not to use mobile clients.
Why the torrent clients are so limited even the version you can use? What it has to do with anything at all? Again, is not seeding just enough?
Maybe specific to that tracker, not sure. But usually torrent client lists exist because the tracker staff tested those clients against the private tracker software to verify that stats are being tracked correctly. And sometimes they do ban clients due to being buggy, being used for ratio cheating, that sort of thing.
this is a “you” problem, not a platform one.
not a single rule there exists that’s not rooted in technological limitations and choices.
no, it’s not about “just seeding back”, it’s also about protecting the community from people - frankly - like you who don’t bother to look into CSVs or platform limitations.
What you call “freedom” is a claim to do whatever you want no matter the impact on others.
the shout box on MAM would have helped you with setting up or any questions you might have.
but I don’t see any questions, just complaints qjd entitlement with question marks at the end.
This reply is a great example of why private trackers are cancerous.
oh you’ll get this reply from me in any community that you’ll attack without attempting to join.
MAM is one of the friendliest places in existence and instead of interacting with the people and just asking for help the statement is “you all suck”.
we’re not taking about elitist bullshit but about entitlement. My tone was way more friendly than the one OP chose after all, consciously though.
If they’d said “I don’t know what to do” the answer would’ve been very different.
Your comment is just … fitting. Calling me a representation for a cancerous behavior that I called out in OP: unreflective entitlement “my ways are correct”.
I don’t engage with private tracker communities beyond mam for that reason:
single sentence judgments, no explanations, blaming others…
I don’t understand how anyone could hate on the home of Friendliness, Warmth, and Sharing. Such a wholesome, wonderful community.
I’m on MAM + other private trackers. MAM isn’t particularly strict on rules, and it’s ridiculously easy to have a positive ratio there what with all the freebies.
Private trackers are designed to make sure there’s always plenty of seeders. They mostly do that by enforcing that people maintain a certain ratio - i.e. don’t just hit and run. (There’s other advantages like that you can request re-seeds and the system will message previous seeders but that’s besides the point) You can’t force people to maintain ratio if it’s easy to game the system - that’s why there are these rules about IP addresses.
Many torrent clients are broken, or just lie about their upload stats. Those clients are banned, as are other that are broken in ways that cause others problems. Phones are a terrible source to download from - signal issues, limiting battery usage, etc. They just waste download slots that could be used for real clients on real connections.
Where is all the freedom on that shit?
Are you serious? You’re getting this stuff completely for free and you’re whining that there’s a few house rules. Entitled, much?
This is the part I don’t get, atp you could even ask for a subscription or payment for a well managed private tracker and I think it’d be worth it for a large number of people.
Why are we complaining about free media again???
These are standard rules for private trackers, they are essentially little kingdoms that compete who has the most insanely idiotic requirements. Any sane person should avoid them at any cost, they are antithetical to what sharing actually should be.
Omg someone is telling the truth here. I’m just quitting this bullshit MAM, I don’t even want it anymore, fuck them. Private trackers ARE pure elitism.
If you are looking for books specifically I would recommend Irc, undernet.org #bookz, irchighway.net #ebooks. They do not require registration, nor billion weird little rules to satisfy ego of every mod.
They’re usually a lot more trustworthy, better community contributions, and better ratios to help others, hence the seeding requirement. It’s a sort of accountability to sharing. There are also those who abuse the rules…
A few smaller sites are a bit goofy, I’ll agree, but at least 2 bigger ones are non issues.
If you think that requiring interviews over voice chat with multiple random people that ask dumb questions like where do you live and what you do for living and laugh at your accent, sorry that’s not goofy that’s bordering on abuse and not accountability. In addition to not having anything to do with filesharing. Private trackers are making filesharing worse, there is nothing that makes them more trustworthy.
If you think that requiring interviews over voice chat with multiple random people that ask dumb questions like where do you live and what you do for living and laugh at your accent, sorry that’s not goofy that’s bordering on abuse and not accountability.
Which tracker was this? I’ve been on private trackers for years and never once had to go on a voice chat, definitely not with MAM.
Currently closed anime tracker.
