• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

      But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

      A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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        It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it but the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.

        The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.

        I’m now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.

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        Hey let’s switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don’t like the president of the United States, does that mean it’s perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?

        A downvote is not an answer btw.

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          It’s funny because the Russians in the donbass were being ethnically cleansed and you picked an example where that’s also happening and they’re equally justified in using violence to defend themselves.

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      It’s Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

      There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
      a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
      and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
      but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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          No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
          The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
          Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.

          If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
          There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.