Huh, I wasn’t expecting a comic critical of Russia’s Ukraine invasion in this comm.
I was pretty sure it was the Gaza situation.
I mean, you could throw in the conflicts in Sudan and Ethiopia, the Indian encroachment into Kashmir, the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe even the 200 year old campaign to re-enslave Haiti.
Gaza’s just the latest in a long line of atrocities.
What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.
It wasn’t just Russians that lived in Donbass.
But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.
But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?
A downvote is not an answer, btw.
Hey let’s switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don’t like the president of the United States, does that mean it’s perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?
A downvote is not an answer btw.
Yes, and no it is not weird
It’s funny because the Russians in the donbass were being ethnically cleansed and you picked an example where that’s also happening and they’re equally justified in using violence to defend themselves.
It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it but the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.
I’m now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.
It’s Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.
There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.Ah yes, they are just “confused Russians” who speak a different language because of the ebul West.
No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.Yeah, the famous communist hating “Russians” deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.
Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.
Dialects have names. Go back further and you’ll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.
Again, if you live in the US, you’ll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.
God I’m so fucking tired of idiot liberals who refuse to read history and think their ignorant fucking smarm is the same as knowledge
Fascists are murdering both ukrainians and palestinians. Grow up, lib.
Exactly, the Nazis in the Ukrainian government are sending Ukranians into meat grinders for the profits of the U.S. empire
Aaaaand there it is.
They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn’t even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it’s about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn’t do
Edit: this is like coming under a post about the holocaust and talking about “this is just like the white genocide in south africa”
How on Earth is it not settler colonialism when Russia engages in a prolonged campaign of trying to russify the Ukranian language, heavily propogandizing those in border regions to either get them to apply for, or either grant them Russian passports/citizenship, then they claim the rightful borders have moved, then invade and capture those border areas (and others), and then emgage in ethnic cleansing within those border areas?
Please, explain to me how that isn’t settler colonialism, just with a few initial, semi-novel/semi-uncommon extra steps?
you don’t know what is settler colonialism and you don’t know what is reality, gtfo don’t compare Palestine to Ukraine
Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?
Yep, Russia stole third of Ukraine and tries to pretend it’s a part of their country not because they’re doing colonialism, but because… um… nothing I guess, it’s not happening actually. All the Ukranians just deciding to die of natural causes there.
I love how all the chuds from nazi adjacent instances come out of the woodwork to downvote anybody pointing out the basic facts of the situation.
No no no! You’re not allowed to talk about the US laying claim to huge swaths of the Ukrainian interior in exchange for another round of weapons imports. My libertarian friends told me that this is fine because the US is getting the land through contracts, which are totally bloodless and not in any way an infringement on the rights of the Ukrainian native peoples.
The above comic only applies to folks on the Eastern side of the big line. Westerners would never exploit the precarious position of Ukrainian nationalists to rob them, press-gang them into front-line combat rolls, and then snatch up all the vacant real estate once the smoke clears.
What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?
there is no land back. people want a state with equal rights; that’s it. i love how this is always a “concern”: hey i know we genocided you, but what if you retaliate? we can’t have that so the genocide most continue.
in reality we’ve seen what happens: what happened to the white south africans in south africa? what happened to the slave owners in the united states after emancipation? what happened to them after natives got some of their land and autonomy back?
nothing. prosperity, even. but at this point i don’t give a shit if it’s not nothing. israelis proved time and again—yes the population too, not just the government—that they’re genocidal maniacs.
this is exactly the same as being concerned with what would happen to the nazis if germany gave rights back to the jews. imagine asking “what if the jews strike back? no the camps must stay”.
just as it was right back then to emancipate the jewish people and other minorities no matter what would happen afterwards, so it is for palestinians now. luckily for the rapists and murderers of the world, the oppressed never turn out to be so genocidal once freed.
I am just asking. That does not mean I am defending Isreal for fucks sake.
ok; it’s just been a common rhetoric to justify the continuation of the apartheid if not the genocide outright.
I know. I ‘support’ (for lack of a better term because I have not actually done shit for them) Palestinians. But hamas is another matter and I won’t pretend they are the good guys.
Hamas are the product of the Israeli regime. if there was no apartheid there would be no Hamas. also they’re nowhere near as bad as the IOF.
