You must log in or # to comment.
~Lefties, thinking they’re gonna somehow win ground by attacking libs and not conservatives and fascists.
Lol it’s gotta be a psyop, right?
Like who could be that fucking stupid?Already libs are down voting and its only been a minute
Surprisingly the ratio is still very high tho (>90%), usually proper socialist memes that are controversial for “left”-liberals get downvoted quite hard here as well
But you damn dirty commies disagreed with meeeeeeeeee!
Truth hurts, I guess.
How can you tell who’s downvoting?
Or is it a case of ‘everyone who downvotes me is a lib’?
Im an admin, I can see votes specific voters (along with when they voted)
The “leftist” memes in question: “Every American should be killed, and every other Westerner jailed. China has never done anything wrong. Ukraine is actually the one in the wrong and should leave poor, innocent Russia alone.”
Liberal memes: “Actually the leftists are worse because they don’t want us to be able to get rich even though I said I’m ok with gay people”
This is what liberalism does to you, if you’re not a leftist feel free to leave nobody is making you stay and be antagonistic
wat ._.
This is what the liberal brain thinks the left really believe
Not the average leftist, yes, but there is a sizeable number of people with strange beliefs…
Context?
Any of the anarchist meme communities on lemmy
Agreed, if you consider anarchist leftist and not closet-libertarians
…what kind of definition of libertarian do you have, that anarchists aren’t included in it?
Edit: There are non-leftist anarchists, like the whole post-left thing, but I have a feeling that’s not what you mean
- French anarcho-communists invent the synonym “libertarian”
- American fascists locally co-opt the word to obfuscate the inseparable nature of capital and state
- Person on explicitly leftist forums vibe checks that by “anachist” you didn’t mean “libertarian”
I’m tired, boss
Is this even in question? Anarchism quite clearly fits within the sphere of libertarian ideas.
The weird part is thinking that’s a bad thing or somehow incompatible with leftism.
Yeah, but they also complain about liberals funnily enough.
Who doesn’t, honestly? If there’s one thing people of all political stripes can agree on it’s that liberals are annoying.
They are liberals, that’s why it’s funny.
liberal from an economic sense or a philosophical sense? there’s a difference
Anarchist is considered libertarian left, while what we typically call Libertarian is libertarian right. Yes, Anarchist is libertarian, but with an emphasis on the welfare of people, while libertarian right is usually about the freedom of businesses to exploit the people.
Anarchists are libertarian revolutionary socialists, WTF?
Okay, please educate me…
Aren’t liberals left wing? As in, to the left of the political center? In Canada our Liberal government is considered to be center left. Just how much is debatable, but left.
(neo)liberalism is the political center (for all of the west, atleast for now but it stands on shaky legs), center left is for example social democracy and center right would be christian democracy.
Well damn. I’ll look into this further later today when I’m not at work, but I honestly believed that liberals were center left with Tory conservatives being center right.
If you have any links to informative articles I’d appreciate them. Never too old to learn things.
Depends on who you ask really. According to the classical definition leftism begins at anti-capitalism. According to the mainstream, the left begins at government social programs. (srry if i made any typos)
No.
Liberals thinking they’re part of the left because reactionaries hate them. Surprise, I don’t like them either just for different reasons?
Liberals thinking they’re part of the left because their fellow reactionaries hate them.
Fixed that for you.
no, it’s the same reason. liberals are still right-wing, they just want to dominate minorities instead of exterminate them. it’s still white supremacy and fascism.
People on this platform want to be victims so bad. There’s more posts about people complaining about other people complaining about them then there actually is.
Dae tankie bad?
I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
So this may convert some new brethren!
Welcome aboard! Fill this glass bottle with gasoline and pass it on.They aren’t independent of each other.
Mix it with oil or styrophor if you want it to burn longer
I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
Well, every person born in the west (and most other parts of the world these days) gets drenched in either liberal and/or fascist ideology (or, more usually, a combination of both) from birth… so that’s not exactly a risky wager on your part.
It’s always the most rancid take from a .world account.
Absolute losers over in .world, amirite?
Agreed
Seriously
It just has the toxic “intellectual” redditors since that’s the instance that was recommended most, but it’s not the majority of the users, just the highest concentration of them.
Good.
If they weren’t it would essentially mean we’ve lost all relevance.
Everyone that I don’t agree is a CIA/liberal/tankie (choose your option).
Problem is that for European leftists right wing Russian authoritarian regime is the biggest threat, then USA, then china. But because USA is doing most of their shit far far away, we don’t feel it everyday.
For leftist in the America of course that USA is the biggest threat. So they are more kind towards China, and some of them thinks that Russia is not a right wing regime.
Then we have people form Asia, they are fucked the most. On the one hand if you’re leftist in China or Russia or north Korea, you will be fucked by the authoritarian governments. And the government don’t have any in supporting your rebellion or revolutionary movement.
There’s also Africa, a lot of countries are rich in minerals etc, and countries from America, Europe and Asia, and corporations will pay for private armies and terror groups so Africa will be exploited.
And in the end there are tons of bots on leftist servers and boards. And condemning condemning countries like Russia for many genocides and killing their own people even after collapse of the Soviet union, ends up with ban.
So instead of shitting on other people, we should be happy that you will not get banned just for takie, liberal, anarchist views.
You seem to be thinking how a nationalist (or transnationalisr if you simp for the EU) chauvinist liberal…
I’m as far as possible from nationalism.
Perspective depends on region where you live.
In Europe we’re not scared that much by USA imperialism, of course USA and Israel imperialism are pushing idiots like Robinson in the UK and so on, but so far they don’t have so much power. On the other hand there’s very big threat, Russian imperialism. We can critique what USA, Israel, Russia, China and also France and European countries doing around the world, but in the end we know what’s the situation.
What this have to do with EU? Nothing. EU is very good for post east block countries and we gain a lot. But this have nothing to do with current situation.
Of your living in America, Russia is probably the last threat, on the other hand USA is the main aggressor. So it’s complete different perspective.
Then you have Asia, Africa and do on, and the situation in different.
I’m not even from the USA lol, literally from Europe.
The EU is a union of financial capital and a bastion of it’s own reactionary neo-colonialism and imperialism…
Also you don’t sound like a socialist TBH
Hearing the word “reactionary” from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag, because it’s used the same way right-wingers use “woke”. Basically most can’t define it without looking it up, or explain how it applies to what they’re critiquing.
Hearing the word “reactionary” from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag,
Oh my good lord… where the fuck do you liberals get this kind of garbage from? PragerU?
Actually based on simple observation, like the fact that I’m seemingly the only one here who has defined “reactionary”.
I’m seemingly the only one here who has defined “reactionary”.
And since when do you get to “define” terms that you obviously don’t understand?
It’s common knowledge for every socialist TBH
A reactionary is somebody who wants to restore a previous status quo. Which us not something the EU is trying to do.
In the socialist/Marxist context it’s used differently just FYI
Problem is that for European leftists right wing Russian authoritarian regime is the biggest threat
Socialist orgs in Europe are pretty much all anti-nato. Liberals are not the left, they are the center-right. The only place in the world that calls liberals “left” is amerikkka.
I assure you that no org nor individual with an anti-nato position thinks Russia is “the biggest threat”. The position is held by all of these orgs because US imperialism is the biggest and most dangerous threat to the left in the world responsible for many tens of millions of socialist deaths and has been ever since ww2.
I’m not even sure why you think socialists would care whether european billionaires, amerikkkan billionaires or russian billionaires get to exploit the working class. The nationalist battles over borders just determine who gets to exploit which members of the working class. What matters to socialists is who is harming and preventing socialist movements the most. The position of socialists is that the battles over borders should stop, period, not that one side is better than any other. Taking one side over the other is ultimately just throwing your hat in with one group of billionaires over the other instead of acknowledging the problem causing this is the entire international system.
USA is a bigger joke than Russia. Could not even start invading Iran. Got it’s shit rocked, and went back crying to mommy Israel.
I’m not even sure why you think socialists would care whether european billionaires, amerikkkan billionaires or russian billionaires get to exploit the working class
and regarding all the other shit takes from them have one simple explanation: polish “left”-lib
Yeah it’s clearly a nationalist position that lacks self-awareness that it’s nationalism. I just kinda wanted to steer through that without an accusatory “you’re a nationalist” line that would only provoke extreme defensiveness.
My next step is usually to ask what happens if their country goes socialist tomorrow. Who are the immediate enemies? Who are the immediate new potential trading partners? Where do they get weapons and ammunition from to defend their revolution?
The answers to these questions most people can usually get correct by themselves, without me pointing them out. And these answers lead people to why anti-nato is the position of socialists in europe, and also why socialists in europe are not explicitly anti-russia either. The situation for socialists is not the same situation faced by liberals but many would-be socialists (who aren’t in orgs) get strung along by the liberals into mistakenly believing it is because they do not have an org guiding them.
Dang I banned too early 😔
Is all good, anyone questioning it can run through those questions themselves.
I also like to ask people where Cuba gets their weapons, ammunition and fuel from. Also Burkina Faso, Venezuela, Bolivia (under MAS), Iran (who supplies palestinian resistance), DPRK, etc etc. Some of which they’ll object to being mentioned in the anti-imperialist camp at all but the question still remains, where do they get their weapons, supplies, fuel and other essentials from and what happens if that place suddenly didn’t exist tomorrow because nato magically eliminated it or whatever the fuck goes through these people’s heads.
Every single anti-imperialist group in the world requires them to survive. Thus the position is quite complex for anti-imperialists, even those that don’t necessarily approve of all actions occurring. But needless to say, nato is certainly the biggest threat to us in the world. Nobody has to like the current situation but understanding the geopolitical reality we exist in is essential.
As for the ban, maybe premature, I try to teach even the baby leftists and assume naivity. I’m often proven wrong about being so patient though.
Agreeing with you, don’t have much else to say.
As for the ban, maybe premature, I try to teach even the baby leftists and assume naivity. I’m often proven wrong about being so patient though.
Should have seen that you were trying to do so and since they were in an OK discussion mode and not actually shitlib-y. It’s just that my tolerance for that stuff is quite low TBH and I lack the capacity to engage with such patience as you (or god forbid on such a level as Cowbee <3)
