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Love how this always gets downvoted, but i grew up around foster kids in that area, and I promise you his effort would have saved lives.

Same with atheists who were trying to make genital mutilation blanket illegal in the states, as well as fighting groups like the heritage foundation who want to keep such classic patriarchal standards alive, but being against that means you obviously hate women and think MGM is worse than FGM, and other strawmen. It was enough to make both progressive groups hate each other, with accusations of SJWs or incels based on similar legitimate grievances on both sides.

Heritage foundation types have obviously been making record ground in the meantime.

For some reason progressive solidarity just isn’t possible, because we can’t help the wrong group of struggling people. Social signalling is obviously more important than cooperatively helping those who are suffering, or in stopping the wealthy from shaping the system to fuck everyone that isn’t already part of their grotesque fascist system.

Can’t stop the actual fascists if other progressives are all the real enemy for some incomprehensible reason that always makes it back to stupid issues like this, where we just can’t recognize the niche situation, or show basic compassion or solidarity within.

As long as we keep “punching up” we can ignore the foster kids who died alone, or festered into something negative because all they ever had was a non-life where they are simultaneously exploited and told they don’t deserve help because they share some intersectional features of privilege, as explained by people who obviously never fully understood intersectionality or how such high dimensional representations can be reasonably interpreted. Usually protected by some socialized bubble of privilege where they can just go with what is being socialized and not think too hard about it.

So it’s all a clusterfuck of people using the same words to say different things, and ignoring the forest for the trees.

But surely the problem is the incels, or SJWs, and not the system that exploits both and discourages either from co-constructively solving general problems of inequality.

Or just beat up the undiagnosed poverty autistic waiting to access the library, while feeling good about how much you are fighting the system of oppression.

Or like in silverman’s place, bully the person trying to help a group that doesn’t actually have access to help, and try to shame people who mention that crushing the potential men’s shelter did not actually do anything to benefit any progressive values.

These aren’t the billionaires or entrenched oligarchs that are actively shaping a society that individualizes blame in ways that ensure you never look at the lobby groups, or war machine, or people with the money generally fucking the system into their preferred fascist shape. Let’s go after the fucking homeless instead I guess, because they are the truly privileged oppressors.

ah, dart is someone from a reactionary group towards an extremely niche mashup between /r/deepthoughts and /r/fifthworldproblems.

i am not dart, but you might be surprised about how many people don’t capitalize. right now i’m thinking of the character alphys from undertale, who also doesn’t use caps unless writing official documents. i am also not alphys.

i think my refusal to capitalize comes from a an over-weighted desire for personal autonomy, so maybe they have a similar urge for autonomy. being aware of high dimensional intersectionality, i would hope you don’t assume too much else about me via the one data point. sorry to disappoint otherwise.

remember that we’re really good at finding patterns in the environment. if you don’t have a wide bayesian basin to ground those patterns, you might confabulate some weird connections or explanations.

in more schizotypal behaviour you often see such apophenia become overly salient.

if you have the adventurous lifestyle to try delving into that FEP stuff i linked into my earlier comment, the same guy “karl friston” did a cool precision-weighting based overview on schizophrenia called the dysconnection hypothesis. but digression aside, making too many confabulations in your local model around sparsely connected patters without that “wide bayesian basin” i mention, means you end up with weird beliefs or expectations becoming salient enough to drown out more robustly grounded expectations, leading to odd beliefs and actions.

why the rants? i just want to comprehend the world around me. difficult when the most salient social structures reward sycophantic energy reducing behaviours over energy consuming ‘dissertation level’ conversations.

if you have to exist in diverse environments, the local minima won’t always transfer, and leads to friction.

i just want people enough on the same page that the world isn’t run by the least intellectually qualified people you could imagine. we all out here minimizing free energy, and the energy saving culture of running on social heuristics is much more memetic than trying to absorb all of the complexity that the academic eggheads are usually peacocking around. i just want more artists and social communicators to participate and help mediate between the complexity and our shared culture and behaviours, such as the conflict in OP’s post. yadda yadda.

i wish you better luck in your future sparse pattern recognition, and uh, CIA endeavours.

if you actually read this far, i appreciate the energy you gave to comprehending this stuff, even if you confused the heck out of me with your intent and comparison.

i don’t even know if i’m supposed to be offended. what is a “dart?” i tried searching on reddit and only found the sport and “dallas area rapid transit.”

also why is my lifelong vendetta against capitalization while on keyboard putting me into some kind of niche group?

and i talk about confabulations because i’ve got that weird intense interest in complex systems. confabulation is really important, especially in psychology, because a lot of the time we are making our best guess when making sense of our more basal ‘surprise’ reactions to prediction error. while maintaining some sort of allostasis/non-equilibrium-steady-state. in english, we are largely just winging it and finding what works, and then socially confirming it.

which brings you to social sciences and epistemology, as “social constructs” are also confabulated in similar ways. we all out here sharing the most simple “sense making” map/heuristic via the most memetic/simple stories that we can socially confirm into our lived reality. the “simplified” comes from that ‘free energy principle’ thing i linked, which in addition to the surprisal systems, deals with finding the simplest useful map (but no simpler, that’s how you overfit/overspecialize.) to save energy well enough to keep our general amalgam of patterns from dissolving. for us that is “surviving and thriving.” big topic, but i’ll avoid writing an essay to describe it all, but i recommend looking into that general area of study.

this larger area of study really helps when framing socio-political topics, so i wish more people would confabulate a shared lifestyle that isn’t immune to actively engaging with these concepts, despite taking a fair amount of energy, while we’re all being energy starved by our existing system that is really good at adapting to and maximally exploiting our available energy.

which is all to say, why i hope your association is of a random group you thought was a neat wild catch, and not some negative association for easy energy saving thought termination for the topic at hand.

:/

actually it’s both. you have groups that socially confirm themselves out of any attempt to actively re-align with reality rather than their own confabulations. dangerous, powerful, and cancerous cults completely detached from any rationality.

then you have weird framing problems that has us finding progressives fighting each other, because they’ve created oversimplified heuristic ideas of the larger or more complex reality than has been represented by their narrow, and likely emotionally salient local environment. this can be exploited to make people fight each-other when they don’t actually have a reason to, purely because they cannot broaden their understanding of both their local and the other person’s environment simultaneously. especially when there is social pressure to prove your are not behaving like “the enemy,” otherwise you get ostracized. this is also often due to local groups ‘creating’ their own reality via the sensible bias gained from their lived experience, so it’s only unreasonable once you understand the broader perspective.

like if someone moved into the city and jumped every time they see a garden hose in the corner of their vision, because they’ve grown into an environment where survival depends on making long tubes in the grass especially salient.

the city dwellers laugh and make fun of them for being a weird loser, and ostracize them causing the person suffering due to not fitting the environment. if the city dwellers moved to the dangerous snake area, maybe they would die from failure to react to a snake.

imagine the family of the snake-area person getting upset at the city people for the legitimate grievance caused to their social member, and the city people felt likewise. now you have a war for no reason other than people are stupid.

now if people with a lot of money and power in both areas felt they could better control their people by intentionally stoking this fire, then you have even more stupid warring.

we’re due for a modern re-framing on rights and personal autonomy.

but we might need to design it fully as local coops and roll over the epstein-class in order to get it enshrined.

if you let them change it, they’ll, (as obtusely as possible,) re-phrase everything to not actually accomplish what it was supposed to.

we need big changes, and we need them yesterday, because the future is here and it’s fucking us all up. the only people with the time and social placement to affect change are the ones that have been coddled into that position through either nepotism or corporate interest. yadda.

still need voter reform… hopefully the next people voted in specifically on voter reform don’t just go “oops actually we weren’t for that at all, hee hee.” (canadian liberal party are also just the backup conservatives i guess)

and my god, there should be some accountability for directly lying to and misleading the voter base. the number of USA politicians i see that can’t answer a fucking question is embarrassing to anyone thinking they don’t live in a fascist state.

like, those promises, or statements, or blatant intentional incompetence should come with some form of accountability. if i fuck up too many lattes i have to live on the street, but politicians can laugh in your face after doing fuckall and taking your money.

generally anyone willing to take a position of power to hugely affect all of our lives and well being should be scared shitless for betraying their voters so blatantly.

more than anything we just need a whole new damned system which is built on modern science and not hundred years ancient aristocracy. it is possible. the only reason it doesn’t seem feasible is that the people with power and influence have been spending a weird amount of their excess ensuring that the system doesn’t enable or benefit anyone outside of the epstein class.

yadda yadda rant rant, i’m tired.

“look the guy who spends all day every day saying things said a cringe thing once! stop listening to him about israel and billionaires!”

there’s a huge hasan smear campaign by corpo “democrats” right now, because obviously he’s the real danger for some reason and not the cheeto rapist in power.

when people are calling democrats controlled opposition, this is what they mean.

remember hasan’s dog? don’t think about the entrenched democrats actively enabling the fascist takeover. don’t think about their support for funding israel’s genocide of gaza. what if his dog possibly potentially had a shock collar because the way it moved once! keep hasan on the defensive so he isn’t talking about israel or billionaires!

etc.

i definitely am not the biggest hasan fan, but i find myself defending him regularly from absolute bullshit.

if there’s was ever a time to be picky about hasan’s choice of emotionally biased statements on non-issues, this is really not it.

As someone deeply interested in the tech used behind this stuff, this is absolutely a terrible idea that only allows an excuse to harass people without actual reason.

Even if there wasn’t the same behaviour and sordid history with mind reading tactics based around the cop feeling “something is off” which, funny enough, happens to trigger when dealing with people of different culture or neurotype.

Now the technology being used famously has a problem with low data samples, which would also translate into “minority groups.”

This isn’t “evil technology,” it’s evil opportunists that found an opportunity, using a tool for something we know isn’t robust enough for such serious context.

If it’s weren’t AI it would be the charlatans around mind reading and micro expressions.

We need accountability for those with power who use said power maliciously or deceptively.

And beyond that, we all need a focus on the 1984 behaviour, as there is a weird global fascist push to protect the current power structure.

" gets so much traction with dudes acting like its a mayor cultural abuse of men while scarcely connecting to other genital mutilation happening to women"

FGM is already illegal in the states, otherwise i’m sure the constant comparison would matter more. also why are we making zero sum games for progressives when making a progressive safe environment would give more rights to everyone?

this is one of the frustrating points of contention that managed to get atheists and feminists fighting each-other rather than fighting groups like the heritage foundation well over a decade ago. i legitimately believe a lot of people pushing the need to suggest that somehow people are pretending FGM is being dismissed whenever addressing MGM are just bots/instigators trying to get people fighting. that is stupid. nobody is arguing this. why are we making this divisive bullshit salient and real?

“all genital mutilation is bad. it’s fucked up that it’s still legal in any capacity.” =/= “we hate women.”

even almost twenty years ago, saying “this is stupid, we should be supporting each-other progressively in rights and freedoms against thing like religious mutilation of baby genitals, and stopping religiously empowered political groups from dominating the discourse,” earned an inbox full of mutilated penis imagery, because somehow feminism is supposed to somehow be incompatible with a world where male babies don’t get their genitals mutilated to show that it’s just “not as bad” or something. ignore the kids who die from infection or w/e.

this was successfully made into the dominant social response in any context.

then we saw a couple decades of atheists and feminists being too distracted defending against incel/SJW branding to do anything about the fascist takeover, and progressives, dejected, vacated spaces allowing whole new incel chud armies to breed and take over. you’d think some would see this as a backfiring, but “it proves our point” so we won’t think about that.

i just wish i would stop seeing the same completely unnecessary divisive arguments that have helped groups like the heritage foundation get into power to remove rights for EVERYONE.

helping men =/= helping the patriarchy.

luckily, it looks like this thread is full of non-divisive conversation on the subject. this makes me happier.

heritage foundation types are destroying the world, we need solidarity and action focused at the problem, rather than anger at trans people wanting basic human rights, or at atheists/activists for wanting to remove classic religious patriarchal baby genital cutting traditions, because being against that makes you the patriarchy somehow. etc.

One of the more common traits used to identify autism in children is organizing things into a line. This doesn’t mean that many non-autistic won’t do that thing, but it will be used when contextualized along with a larger body of behaviour.

“this one behaviour is prominent in autism.” can be true without implying that “only autistic people do this.”

But the general populace is so uninformed that they will get mad at autistic people for relating with each other in ways that often reassemble common autistic behaviours.

You will even have undiagnosed autistic people getting mad at diagnosed autistic people because “well i do that all the time.”

There’s a lot of general ignorance that should be dealt with before everyone starts witchhunting.

Also the common traits have a bias for behaviours found in middle class white boys, due to local relevant bias issues. So things like obsessing about trains, or something a parent would recognize their child doing, like making a neat orderly line.

These type of memes make things salient to those who haven’t considered before. Like one of my friends who inquired after relating to a lot of autistic socializing, not just one meme, but after inquiring they found they were diagnosed as a child and just never told, because it would apparently be too cruel to know you are autistic.

So you have autistic people just trying to relate to each other, and a bunch of undiagnosed or non autistic people getting mad at them for visibly existing in a way that doesn’t make sense unless you have a deep personal relationship with autistic behaviours, because “normal people do that too”

Similar to how people will enter autistic spaces, say autistic people are cringe and fake for self regulatory stimming behaviours, and get applauded by their ignorant audience who interprets it as “fake disorders cringe.” But you know, it’s better if autistic people have to worry about getting bullied so that they hide their traits like stimming, and then have a meltdown because the world feels like it’s exploding and there is no help, and pavlov says you will be punished if you stim. Fun fact, the people responsible for gay conversion therapy are also responsible for Pavlovian conditioning being the primary choice on how to ‘fix’ autistic people. This makes sense of you are familiar with complex group behaviours and surprisal reactions, but boils down to “if I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist, and we are going to ignore the rate of autistic suicide.” and any autistic people who don’t mask are socially okay to builly I guess.

But criticising people on the internet for overly relating to literal diagnostic criteria feels good, because “but I do this thing too” and “I am become justice” in a social environment that doesn’t know what autism is.

This is all the justification some people need to feel socially confirmed to just actively attack general autistic groups and their behaviours, because they are indistinguishable from people who “just want attention.”

And bullying an autistic person out of trying to socialize is obviously worth it, as long as we catch one of the fakers “stimming for attention” and totally not trying to embrace aspects of themselves that have been critiqued as “inappropriate ways of being.” from a life spent around non autistic people who need you to know you are existing wrong, because surprising elements take energy to deal with, and if you are autistic there is a decent chance the world doesn’t let you forget how weird you are.

We should promote active education rather than bullying and witchhunting maybe.

Actually a good general option for dealing with mass ignorance, including people who jump to diagnostic conclusions based on one single meme. I thought autistic people were the “binary thinkers” (this trait conveys nothing meaningful without a robust understanding of what is being directly referred to. Everyone should think of how much they’ve mapped the area being communicated, and I’d say that’s more important for bullies than supposed copycats who want to be perceived as the thing everyone is bullying.)

Also even if you are not autistic, it is okay to relate to things that autistic people heavily socialize a relation to. Different autistic communities are going to have different cultures around that too. Etc etc.