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  • My parents received a lot o financial support in order to afford to buy an apartment for our family.

    Neither my sister, nor myself has received similar financial support to buy a place to live in.

    My parents instead live in a gigantic place they don’t use fully, and own several houses and apartments they rent out for profit. Of course none the real estate they own is anywhere near myself or my sister’s family. They also love to go on fancy expensive vacations all the time and complain about the younger generations. Of course they also get pensions from the companies they used to work for. Something that just doesn’t exist anymore.

    There’s a lot of overlap between generational and class war.




  • 20% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish, most of them Palestinian Arabs (self identification and labels vary). They have equal rights, vote, have respected professions like judge or doctor and are doing well economically. Sure, there’s also some discrimination, however overall Israeli Arabs are the most free and among the most prosperous people in the region.

    Israel is okay with an Arab minority. They can’t annex the West Bank and Gaza and give everyone citizenship without losing the majority. Having a country that’s majority Jewish is the whole point of Israel.



  • Zionism was proven correct by history.

    Assimilation failed all over Europe pretty badly. Jews were expelled from Muslim countries after Israel was established.

    Zionists were a minority among Jews pretty much until the non Zionists were killed in the Holocaust.

    Many Jews were also into communism because of your idea of equality for all. That didn’t work out either. The Soviet Union persecuted and oppressed Jews. They even created a Jewish Oblast as a homeland in the middle of nowhere in Siberia. In the end they didn’t follow through with deporting all Jews there.

    Everything you propose was tried repeatedly. It lead to further oppression and death for Jews.

    Zionism was correct in its pessimistic analysis of the situation.


  • The Zionists accepted the Peel Partition Plan of 1937 and the UN partition plan of 1947. The Palestinian Arabs refused it.

    The Zionists declared a Jewish state in 1948. The Palestinian Arabs did not declare a state of their own.

    The West Bank was occupied and then annexed by the Kingdom of Jordan and it gave citizenship to all Palestinians living there. Gaza was occupied by Egypt, but not annexed.

    Israel offered a state to the Palestinians several times in Camp David, Olmert 2008, Taba, etc. The Palestinian leadership refused those offers without a specific counter offer.

    The Palestinians had several opportunities to get a state, but chose otherwise.