Windows:
Linux:
I will ignore everything but the cat. I demand more pics of the cat.
:3
I’m not exactly playing anything new but I’ve been playing Grounded (the first one) on Window for like 2 months. My computer was so hot it was warming up my entire room.
I switched to Linux due to other Microsoft issues and decided to give it another shot. Man, my computer doesn’t really get warm at all. Like yeah I can see the temp monitor change a little bit but not much. There’s no hot air pouring out of my PC. I’m not sweating sitting next to it.
I’ve made no changes to any game settings (other than using proton) or hardware changes. It’s an insane difference.
I love Vulkan so much. Having everything precompiled ahead of time is probably a big contributing factor on why your machine is running cooler. It’s just pulling from the shader cache instead of doing on the fly computation for shaders.
That makes sense. I’m still new to all this so I’m kinda learning as I go.
The long and short of it is that Vulkan and other modern graphics APIs are extremely explicit. As the game developer, you tell the GPU exactly what resources are being used, when they’re available, and how work is synchronized. Once you’ve built those command buffers, the driver mostly just submits them to the hardware “fire and forget” style basically.
Older APIs like OpenGL and Direct3D 11 were much higher level. You described what you wanted to draw, and the graphics driver figured out resource transitions, synchronization, and a lot of the scheduling behind the scenes. That made them easier to use but also added CPU overhead and made performance less predictable.
Thank you for taking the time to explain that. That’s really cool too learn.
Nice cat.
How much did you do to optimize on both systems beyond the in-game settings?
Most Linux benchmarks I see have a completely stripped down version of Linux and a bloated version of Windows with tons of running background services just to get similar performance.
And those stutters are a much bigger problem than the 6fps gain.
bloated version of Windows
So Windows
How does it handle ray tracing?
how does anything handle raytracing? I watched a friend with a 5090 show off his bullshit money rig and maybe it was a 4k monitor or something, I didn’t check, but it wasn’t performant enough to impress me at that price range. Its probably also lack of optimization and nobody ever leaving the default unreal engine visuals.
Just living in an alternate reality here.
My 4090 handles cyberpunk 4k with path tracing at 120+ FPS.
Linux is objectively inferior when it comes to high fidelity gaming and it very clearly triggers some linux nerds.
Didn’t valve test this sort of thing over a decade ago and found Linux to easily get better performance?
http://web.archive.org/web/20200504112412/http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/
with the caveat that that was opengl vs directx9 accross operating systems and not necessarily “easy”. but it did make an important point that linux could run workloads like games in a very viable fashion.
Yes.
Kind of.
Its… why they spent that decade making Proton, and now basically have an OS based off of it.
The OS is based off of Arch.
I mean literally yes, but, it could not exist in any meaningful way without Proton.
Thats why I say its really built around Proton, they started with Proton and then said ‘how do we make an OS that will work with/around this’ and landed on Arch.
The whole point of it is: Be a functional, efficient, fast, Linux OS that primarily plays video games.
Thats impossible without Proton.
Agreed! 🎯
Doesn’t seem to happen going by the graphs included, but one thing I look in benchmarks is not how fast or not a program was, but how frequent spikes and hiccups in speed are. Having played games at 11 FPS but that were consistent at that and seemingly weren’t lagging (variable max fps?), big numbers don’t tell much imo.
Also, statistically, one single benchmark, and from an unamed game at that, doesn’t tell much either. If I might suggest, maybe do like the microblogging folks and start a responses/quoting thread of more tests?
Oh wow, wonder why that is! Microslop is only here to slowly but surely make your computer a slave to their system, Linux along with pretty much all FOSS are here to keep your computer yours (some exceptions sadly exist)
In many games it does, but I’m not sure this comparison is a good example of that, as it shows persistent CPU stutter on Linux. With those spikes, Windows would be the smoother experience even if the average frametimes are slightly better on Linux.
As I… think has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you can run Gamescope + Proton + Wayland, and force the refresh rate.
You can do this with xrandr or sometimes some games actually expose it as a thing you can directly configure.
Presumably, you could set this to, for this example, 90, and probably help out the frame timing variance a bit.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s up with that, maybe OP needs to try a different scheduler?
It’s laughable because all Linux gamers have is amateur benchmarks that don’t account for 1% lows, shader cache stutters, selective picking, and no frame-by-frame analysis. There’s no mention of input lag, frame timing issues, or whether the game can even be completed on Linux (some are broke for frame timing issues).
Pushing this kind of nonsense is assholey to people that might be willing to risk damaging hardware to run Linux.
They literally have the frame time graph in the screenshot? And yea the timing looks dramatically worse on Linux in this case lol.
“Damaging hardware” are you from the past or something?
There are recent cases. Do you not use search? Are LiGNUxers allergic to that as well as AI?
Gork, is this true?
Spotted the Microsoft sales person! Do I win something?
Recognition from the other 20% vocal minority of conspiracy theorists.
What hardware damage are you even talking about? That’s not actually a thing.
I mean they’re not entirely wrong. 1% lows are very much an issue and you can see the spikes in OPs screenshot.
But uh… let’s just say they’re a pretty notorious user.
You openly and brazenly lie. -Interesting! Is that very quick upvote also vote manipulation?
Look at me cite myself from threads in the community I moderate where I’ve banned anyone providing pushback
You mean look at yourself not proving me wrong on a single thing.
Even if linux in particular caused overheating, your system has safeguards for that outside the OS. So it has nothing to do with windows or linux. If your hardware gets damaged by overheating, the safeguards failed.
This happens on windows too.
Not the same thing.
Dude, you appear to have an unhealthy obsession. You may want to consider talking to a professional about it.
Linking your own list of hypotheticals is not any kind of proof of anything.
That isn’t really a comeback, but a good example of why advocates aren’t allowed there.
-Thanks for providing a perfect example.
I’m not making a comeback or trying to debate you at all. I’m honestly pointing out that the level of time and anger you appear to be spending on something you are free to just not use, is extremely unhealthy.
FFS shit or get off the pot.
You aren’t getting, are you? I’m not even in the bathroom.
Posting your own threads that have been downvoted (rightfully) to hell isn’t the win you thought it was…
You didn’t contest a single entry in it. All you’re doing is effectively down-voting which doesn’t make you right or wrong. If you had ANY integrity; you could address what’s brought up in the posts as the information isn’t exclusive there (it’s simply compiled there).
If you’d like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it’s upvoted!
Anyway, you’re showing you lack integrity and discernment. As well as highlighting the obvious bias on this site because it appeals to LiGNUxers.
“If you’d like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it’s upvoted”
Gee golly maybe you should hang out there more. After all they are willing to upvote your bullshit. They must like it there. Go there and stay forever please.
larper
The first thread also only has deleted comments. Suspicious
Read the rules and understand we’re not about wasting time arguing there with idiots. If they actually made a point; it would get addressed.
But what’s your excuse here? -Please tell!
I am just saying that the fact all comments were deleted is supicious.
madthumbs lost a hard drive to a bad Red Hat installation over 20 years ago, and that made them really, really, really, really, really…really, really salty about Linux and FOSS. They like to talk in royal we, but the community of LinuxSUCKS is literally just them deleting and banning everyone who even tangentially disagrees with their deranged memes.
They are not very put together, but they do know how to hold a grudge eternally.
But not having any real rebuttals here isn’t. Hypocrisy. Imagine sparing non-Linux fans from all the dishonest Linux propaganda.
You’re literally quoting yourself, you clown
It’s a compilation knuckle dragging mouth breather.
Compilations with no actual sources given. They’re literally just you prattling on, you fucking loon.
Oh, you don’t have internet at your finger tips to confirm yourself in seconds? I feel sorry for you, but gonna block you since you’re still working on your inferiority complex. (putting others down to make yourself feel better)
Bold coming from the guy who’s ego is so fragile that he spends all his time harassing people over Linux. You’re a pathetic, hypocritical waste of cum
Everybody in this thread got baited.
Do Not Feed The Trolls!
Everyone needs a hobby. Some people feed ducks, some people feed trolls.
Also, as much as it feeds the trolls’ weird need for negative attention, it’s also sometimes important to at least point out their bullshit for what it is, lest someone else who’s less versed in the topic at hand take it for actual information.
Damaging hardware, lmao
ffs do you LiGNUxers actually research anything other than what distro will solve your current problem?
You’re just displaying your inferiority complex here.
Hmm? I was just laughing at how ridiculous your claim is, read my other comment. Overheating can be caused by anything. Often the specific applications your running instead of the OS. And your hardware has faiksafes for this to prevent damage. You might also want to check if your cooling system is still doing it’s job.
Now if only I don’t have to compile vulkan shaders every time I try to start deadlock
ignore cat pic
Irrelevant cat picture to get people to read the post works every time.
I will not ignore the cat.
I will not ignore
