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I’m so tired of explaining shit to stupid people.
People like him are why gatekepeeping hobbies isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Once the flood of normies comes in, they outnumber the passionate ones and it all goes downhill from there.
The story of PC gaming in a nutshell. Completely ruined by the entrance of casuals and the reaction of the industry to their arrival.
I knew this phenomenon by the name Eternal September, though we might call them tourists or larpers today.
That said, a gently influx of new users is important for any hobby community to survive and thrive, and noobs are always slow to pick up on the conventions and norms of the group. It’s only a real problem when the group is unwelcoming to any number of noobs, or when the noobs flood in with such numbers as to overwhelm the existing group.
This should just be about choice, people should be able to buy physical copies if they want. Some people want the ability to resell the game, others might not. Of course, Sony wants to boost their bottom line, and that’s best done through inconvenient DRM that leaves little to no recourse when things go south for the consumer.
I guess the question is why shouldn’t a business get the choice, too? I’m not sticking up for anyone here, because the solution is not to buy.
Honestly if you don’t see the inherent problem with:
I can pay money for a thing ->
Thing can suddenly vanish from existence ->
This is not theft, You are due no recompence ->
This is totally fine, actually.
… Just straight up, you have a mental disability if you think this is fine. You are cognitively impaired, you should not be trusted with any kind of decision making.
You’re just telling everyone you are a-ok with being robbed, in some certain set of conditions… any exploitative person or entity that has any experience exploiting people knows that you just have to construct a narrative/experience where the conditions of being robbed that you will accept, slowly expand and grow over time.
You are telling the world you are easy to scam and trick. And in a world where you need money to continue existing, in the vast majority of cases… this is functionally suicidality or at least self-harm/self-destructive behavior.
This is a subsection of the Great Filter. If you can’t pass this test, sorry, you’re fucked, you are too stupid to persist much longer in your environment.
This is such a logically dubious position to attempt to maintain and argue for that I very truly cannot see another explanation for it other than… the person that holds that position genuienly is cognitively diminished.
No notes. This is perfection.
also what few people are acknowledging is what happens when the PS7 is released and womp womp it’s not backwards compatible with PS6 software? so your entire library of PS6 games will just vanish. OR you hold onto that PS6 for as long as possible but eventually Sony will shut the servers off for that hardware. OR (and what likely WILL happen) is those PS6 games you bought will be “upgraded” for the PS7 and you’ll have to buy them all over again. THIS is also likely the reason why Sony decided to stop selling first party single player titles on Steam. They’ve been planning this for a long time now.
It’s not a matter of IF you lose those games but simply WHEN.
Ownership is a lie we tell ourselves to cope with a world that is perpetually impermanent.
This is only half the argument we need to be making though, because if the disk is just a DRM unlocker then we still don’t have real ownership and all these problems still exist.
At some point having a hard drive will become illegal.
God I hate that argument ‘Your entire library can be deleted.’
Why?
i get it’s an over simplified view of how ownership and ip rights work, but like, it’s basically true from there customers perspective. has it ever happened to you?
or do you hate it because it’s obvious these corporations are going to pull the rug and idiots still buy this shit?
Sony is deleting 551 movies people bought on PlayStation, including Terminator and Rambo
Yeah I hate that argument too, because it’s true.
Like most people who aren’t up in arms about this TechnicallyTee hasn’t actually given it a seconds worth of thought. “Well I don’t play games on disc” it’s such a surface level retort. If you’re not going to spend 10 seconds actually thinking about it, why have you bothered to make a comment?
The problem is that we dont spend this time complaining about any other consumer product like games. As if you need them to eat and live.
Don’t buy Sony products. Fucking done. What is there to complain about and give free advertising labor to Sony over? Outrage is retention wearing clown makeup. They are playing you all.
Thanks to population size and people never agreeing on anything, even a common cause. Voting with your wallet doesn’t work anymore.
Though don’t get me me wrong, it should still be done especially in the light of last weeks news of sony removing digital goods. Just that the insignificant hit we can do is completely undone by the masses still buying.
I still haven’t pre-orderd any game or paid above 59,99, but those things are still getting more popular.
which masses are buying?
Here you go. Ps5 already sold 90 million units. https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Sony Or https://www.gamesmarket.global/financial-results-sonys-playstation-division-recorded-strong-growth-but-the-outlook-remains-cautious-1a5ecfa83784106c362f1205c86bc396/
So basically just sony made already record profits from game sales.
“Well I don’t have anything I think I need to hide, so privacy doesn’t matter!”
Same vibe.
Didn’t expect Trevor to be this based. Miss him on the daily show
Didn’t expect Trevor to be this based.
Really? Seems like what I’d expect from him.
Miss him on the daily show
Me too, but honestly I’ve grown to really like the rotating host format.
He grew up very poor. Most of what he owned was probably second hand.
In his book, he describes running an old school mp3 pirate business.
Bloodeborne was 2nd handed to me after not having any gaming console for almost 15 years. I really hate that person. And would like to ruin someone else’s day by passing it on. I wonder then of the next gen consul is dead too? No physical disk readers?
Correct. The PS6 will not have physical discs at all. It’s probably the very reason they’re doing this.
Nowadays some physical media carries only a license on them, not even the media itself.
That is still better than no physical release at all as its at least transferrable, but yeah,the servers can be pulled and it made unobtainable if your console storage does.
This is something I don’t think should be legal under false advertising laws as well.
When fortnite was super popular, they would release “physical” releases of their cosmetics dlcs. We would have grandmas coming in wanting to get little timmy the game they wanted, and would choose the 40$ DLC thinking it was an actual game when in reality it was a plastic case with a download code in it. We would explain “hey btw just incase you didn’t know, this isn’t actually a game, its 40$ for some skins on a free to play game that they already have”
9/10 customers would be like “Wait what really? thats so shitty thank you for informing me” and would choose another game from the selection.
It’s blatant false advertising and super deceptive marketing tactics. A physical release should not be a code to use a license. It should be the actual game.
Good news, those are still sold at my local Walmart.
Wasn’t aware of physical case for Fortnite DLCs.
Proving it’s a scam by having hard cases. Usually codes are in paper card form, like PS Plus codes or stuff like that.
Digital goods are not the problem. DRM is. Direct your outrage appropriately.
If someone else is storing the digital copy for you, on a system you don’t control, it’s not “ownership”.
Honestly, in this case I think its time based licensing that is the issue. This would be very limited as an issue as a whole if publishers/creators couldn’t say “yea so you have the ability to sell this, but after X years you lose the ability to host it period”
Currently big companies like sony can just offload the blame to the license holder saying “yea we cant host it anymore” when in reality it shouldn’t matter.
Licensing that expire over time shouldn’t be legal. If you bought a license to use a product, you should be allowed to keep that product. Don’t provide updates if don’t want to, but if you paid for the ability to have and use a product (in this case media) it shouldn’t be legal to retroactively pull it without compensation.
Said compensation should also at minimum be a percentage of the product based off how much it was used, with the overall refund not allowed to go under half the price of the product paid. The fact they can be like “yea we don’t wanna host this anymore but we aren’t going to provide refunds” is ridiculous.
Being said, I agree with your sentiment. I firmly believe bypassing DRM for a product you bought and have the right to use should be legal. I don’t agree that Ripping a movie that you purchased that has a DRM component should be illegal, just like I don’t agree that removing a DRM component from a game I own should be illegal. If you own the product, you should be allowed to use it how you want. I can make the excemption of distribution, because I get it $$$ but the fact I can potentially be charged criminally for ripping a 4k disk, and then putting it on my private media server that only I have access to, is insane to me.
Eh, digital goods are still a problem. For exactly the reasons stated above.
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Resale/gifting of used copies becomes more difficult and often impossible.
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Your digital library can be taken away from you at any time, with no recourse.
Your digital library can be taken away from you at any time, with no recourse.
No it can’t. Steam is not all digital game libraries. You are talking about a DRM problem, not a problem with digital games.
These are both DRM issues.
People have forgotten because he turned out to be a sex pest…
But once upon a time Louis CK would get annoyed with piracy and sell copies of his new standup show at $5 with a no DRM copy of the file, just politely asking people to not pirate.
He made $5 million almost overnight which helped fund his foray into television with Louie which was on TV for five years.
This literally was the thing that took his career to the next level. Where he went from a comic with a pretty okay career to one with a massive career.
He used to do the same for other comedians, too. I bought a couple Todd Barry specials from his website the same way: $5, DRM-free media files.
I still have all those files backed up.
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Correct. Digital goods with DRM cannot be owned by definition. Its a remote killswitch whenever they like. They should be banned from using the word purchase or buy on those products. They should be forced to use the words “acquire revokable licence”
