Sign me up!
I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have a link to a stream of this show’s segment? I tried Googling for it, but came up with nothing. I’d genuinely like to know what their argument against having these things is. I’m assuming it’s the same old “who’s going to pay for it” thing, which we all know is silly because we always seem to have plenty of money for wars, bailouts, subsidizes for corps/billionaires, etc. Still I’d like to hear their fearmongering talking points on this one.
It’s like when AOC was gaining popularity so they showed her platform on Fox. Showing all these good things as “bad”.
AOCIA
FTFY
I don’t get it
AOC is a fake leftist CIA plant to temper and suppress actual revolutions in burgerland. AOCIA
Stop skipping your meds dude.
You should start skipping your lib brain pills dude.
It almost makes me wonder if the people working in their graphics department are left-leaning. You’d think they’d at least do something like add dollar signs to the art to make it clear that these good things aren’t free.
I once met someone who worked on computer graphics for one of the NFL broadcasters. He hated gridiron football with a passion, but a job was a job, so he made animations involving shiny humanoid robots, because apparently that has something to do with gridiron football. I don’t know if he snuck easter eggs into his stuff, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
America flavored socialism is scary just in the way they think. Scary because it will suppress actual revolution for years. There will be some token efforts and in the end will be bluemaga
…I think you put this abrasively, and in a “tankie” kind of way.
But mark my words, bluemaga will happen. I dunno who, we’re gonna get a Democrat Trump, for sure.
This is accelerationist bullshit. People are more capable of organizing mass movements when they aren’t forced to focus on survival. Organized labor in the US was the strongest it had ever been under FDR’s social democracy. Advancing welfare in a capitalist economy actually heightens contradictions because it becomes more clear to the working class that those things are good and that the owning class opposes it.
Fireman saves kitten and no money changed hands. Fuck that communist bastard fireman! /s
Worse yet, the fireman was paid for by mandatory taxes by everyone even though most of them have never needed a firefighter in their lives
/s for good measure
Housing for all? No genocide?! These mosnters!
This boogie-man makes perfect sense when viewed through the lens of zero-sum thinking. They literally view helping other people as being detrimental to their own position because it means that the people “beneath” them are now less far beneath. This makes their position feel less lofty because we’ve raised the floor of human suffering, thereby making them feel less advantaged and less high above that floor of human suffering by comparison.
It’s not even a meme to characterize them as saying, “the suffering is the point” when they support certain inherently evil consumerist practices. They literally think that way.
Yep - sounds like some dumb Facebook platitude, but I like “Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It’s not pie.”
“the suffering is the point”
Isn’t that like part of being a fundie?
The older generation is so selfish they don’t want the younger generations to get something “easier” than they think they had it. “I walked uphill both ways in the snow” kind of thinking. Most privileged generation.
Last night at dinner boomer maga: “why aren’t the kids drinking anymore?” Me: well we got like 10 jobs and have no time so i imagine they have like 20 jobs even less… “we used to go to work hungover”… oooooookay
How about getting a single DUI will absolutely ruin your life? I’m so paranoid about drinking that I NEVER drink when I’m out for dinner. If a cop pulls me over, I want to be able to say “I haven’t had a single drop to drink.”
Besides, what’s wrong with people drinking less? Not smoking and drinking are two of the best things you can do for your life. This guy wants young people to fuck up their lives, so that he feels better about fucking up his?
It’s funny that you think not having a drop to drink will prevent the cops from arresting you for DUI with a 0.0 breathalizer anyway and the DA from prosecuting you despite an additional 0.0 blood test.
Twas the Homer Simpson generation, meanwhile we’re all Frank Grimes
Good luck being distracted by age. That’s almost as bad as red/blue state bullshit. Sure, the people in power in those states is making a difference, but my point is there’s a huge mix of people in every state. And in the same way, there’s plenty of old progressives and young fascists.
Constantly putting this crap on older generations implies you’re one of the ones hoping the problem will die off.
It won’t.
And distracting you from realizing that is the big reason for the push for “boomers” to equal “evil”. There’s a lot of idiot evil boomers, but there’s plenty of young idiot evil fascists.
The problem ain’t gonna die itself away. We must fight.
This is sorta the same defense as “#NotAll(X)”. Because, like, yeah, obviously there are plenty of older progressives. But… The issue at hand here is one of power. Older generations have more wealth on average and hold more conservative views on average. It’s sorta on them to use their positions to make lives easier on those younger and less fortunate than themselves, and unfortunately for the rest of us, they are less likely to do so. And I say this with a boomer grandma doing her fucking best protesting outside ICE facilities.
To pretend there isn’t an age bias is silly. To pretend there is only an age bias is also silly. But it does exist, interrelated to wealth and power disparities that everyone is suffering from. So, you know, fuck boomers. If you don’t like hearing that, then really reflect on what that says about you.
In closing, yeah, the problem won’t simply die away, but I ain’t gonna pretend it doesn’t help, even if it isn’t every boomer’s fault.
The point that you are glossing over and dismissing as a minor one is Central to my theme: the problem is not going to die itself away.
Most of the people riding off boomers assume that all the youngsters are progressives. They are not.
Nowhere did I say boomers are equally as progressive as any other group. There’s a reason I didn’t say that. There’s a reason I said the other things that I said.
I don’t think everyone is saying the youth are all progressives, either. I think the only people saying that are conservatives.
The problem will get better with people dying of old age, though. You can’t really deny that.
Around 44% of Boomers consider themselves conservative.
Around 33% of young adults do.
Go ahead and wait around while the fascists only increase the propaganda if you think that’ll help, but in my humble opinion, that only falls into their trap. They get us to wait while they keep fighting tooth and nail.
I don’t think I said anyone should wait, though.
And young people aren’t doing enough to push back either, so fuck youth too.
True, but I think if we’re going off pure numbers, fuck men. Like, they are doing the least outta all these groups.
I’ve been hearing that the Republican Party will wither from attrition as they all die off for 50 fucking years. We should be free of them by now, but instead they’ve taken over everything.
I always tell people to remember back to that first big protest in Chancellorville, when all those neo-Nazi fuckwits marched in with their tiki torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us”. ALL those weenies were under 40 years old. Rush Limbaugh and all the other psychopathic propagandists have been great at recruiting and indoctrinating new psychopaths into their ranks, and replacing all the old psychopaths that finally got dragged to Hell.
You don’t understand Christianity. Christianity is the religion of the police state. Revelation 22:15 encapsulates the notion of how the sinners are surrounded, with everyone who loves AND practices lying (not TO) being the undercover cops. Jesus’ crucifixion let us see who the idoltarers were, and cost one Roman soldier with a spear a promotion. I guarantee those tiki torch fuckers were 80% cops. The Proud Boys are feds. I know this because the joke is I had to be a crackhead because I wasn’t good enough to be a pothead, which is a festival cop.
The problem ain’t gonna die itself away. We must fight.
And teach. We’re fighting ignorance and intolerance. We all gotta learn
Critical Thinking Skills are the best offense against propaganda.
Thinking in labels is inherently dualistic thinking. The brain processes entanglements, and it is möbiated entanglements, that which the Buddhists called “defiled” that manifest the illusion of the self. This is giving a string a half-twist to create dualistic dichotomy (inner/outer). A form of möbiation that would take a minute to explain, but can be summed up in the phrase orthogonal relativity, and this picture, is what allows the brain to process an eleven dimensional topological matrix. Yer a knot, Neo. Enlightenment is being the effect before the cause - developing your prefrontal cortex to predict and outclass the animal parts of the brain, and resolving all karmic debt to demöbiate all your mind back into a unified field of entanglements.
Their finding out the hard way that nothing lasts on this Earth and that death always comes to reap its due.
Sounds rad. Let’s do that then.
I cannot find a single flaw in this plan. I want it.
I find it funny that they couldn’t find a pictogram for the last one.
They could, but it was overruled at the last minute for being too racist even for Fox.
Watermelon emoji
The Palestinian flag emoji exists. 🇵🇸
Oh no! It’s… European centrist?! And a rogue Free Palestine with a steel chair from the corner!
These are a bit too left-leaning for European centrists. Especially the 32-hour-workweek, even in the most “socialist” European countries this is a position only taken by dedicated “leftist” parties.
In France we have a 35 hours workweek, and our centrists fight that with all their might.
In the UK I think it averages 37.5 hours for salaried jobs. I haven’t looked that up.
I’m in the UK, 35 hours a week, with a compulsory 1 hour lunch break. University life… It’s flexible though 08:00-16:00 through 10:00-18:00. As long as you get seven hours in.
That’s pretty good, though legislation says they only have to give you a 20 minute break, and only if you work over six hours. Otherwise, 37.5 tends to be standard.
If you have enough time to think, that means we can strip you down to a 15 minute break
Thinking is clearly inefficient!
Imagine being so I love with the billionaires that you want less free time
My day job is unionized and it’s 35 hours per week. 🇨🇦
Is it? The average work week in the Netherlands is 30 hours. That is the current status quo, not even what the “left-leaning” parties propose for the future.
The average work week in the Netherlands is 30 hours.
It’s a skewed bullshit metric though and you can’t compare it to most other countries.
It’s quite normal here to have one member of a household working 40 hours and the other part-time, for example 20 hours. That’s 60 hours of labour for a family and indeed 30 hours on average.
Unfortunately most statistics only include people who actually work, instead of the total potential workforce. So a traditional family where dad works 40 hours and mom stays at home will have a combined total of 40 working hours vs our 60. But because mom doesn’t work she is ignored and the family counts toward the average for 40 hours. So they go into the books as hard workers and we are just lazy sobs.
The cherry on top: statistics often cut off around 60-62, while we can’t retire until 67+.
Remember: there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
If it’s about the same as Germany, then the reason for that is that there are a lot of part time workers, who often don’t get enough money to be able to live off it on their own (e.g. married people, single parents who also get government assistance to make up the difference). That’s very different from declaring the full-time work week to be only 32 hours.
It’s somewhat similar to Germany, yes, though Germany has fewer part-time workers. In Germany (where I also live) the default options are 35 or 40 hours, though it’s becoming more common to have options to work less even in “full time” type of jobs.
Anyway, I doubt the “democratic socialists” in the USA want to ban working more than 32 hours, they just want people to have the same option people have in rich European countries.
Anyway, I doubt the “democratic socialists” in the USA want to ban working more than 32 hours
They want 32 hours to be legislated as ‘full time’ – meaning that employers legally must pay overtime (1.5x normal wage) for any amount of time worked over 32 hours per week.
This is already the case for 40 hours, but they want to reduce the number to 32.
If this is what they want, it’s really not very well thought through. Employers can just pay the same amount for 40 hours (paying less for the initial 32 and more for the subsequent 8), and employees will have greater incentives to keep their working week at 40 instead of having more flexibility for work-life balance. This would discourage 32-hour work weeks except for those jobs where employers can easily hire more people to compensate for the 8-hour shortfall (and those jobs are very few in number).
In fact, in Europe it’s usually the opposite, where overtime is more heavily taxed, so both employers and employees have incentives to keep the work week within sensible hours. In addition, overtime tends to be restricted by collective wage agreements, which, in contrast to the USA, often apply to non-union members.
Employers can just pay the same amount for 40 hours (paying less for the initial 32 and more for the subsequent 8)
They’re going to have a lot of very pissed-off employees when they announce the company-wide pay cuts. And competing employers who instead use the strategy of dropping to 32 hours and hiring more employees to make up the difference are going to be able to pay the full rate without any pay cut, making them more attractive to workers.
Also … ask yourself, why aren’t they already doing this to get 50 or 60 hour work weeks out of their employees? Because it’s hard to find employees willing to work below market rate for 60 hours a week. (Most employers already strictly limit employee hours, because they hate paying overtime.)
Now, what you’re saying isn’t completely insane – I do recognize that some employers may try to do something similar to what you’re saying, while trying to justify the pay cuts as a reaction to the new law. Also, there’s nothing forcing them to increase the hourly rate, so for a lot of workers going to 32 hours instead of 40 would be a significant overall income reduction.
There will be some friction, especially at first, but I think that over time, the market will normalize around it, and (essentially) 4-day work weeks could become the norm. It’s nothing that hasn’t happened before, during the fight for a 40-hour 5-day workweek.
In this case the median would be a lot more interesting than the average. Few do more than 40h (legally) but many do less -> the average always under 40. Similarly, in average men have less than 2 testicles, but >99% have 2.
If the median is 40, then it still means that over half the population have 40h weeks meaning it’s the standard.
The median employee in the Netherlands is just barely at the threshold of working full-time (defined as 35 hours or more). Few of those who work full-time cross 40 hours, and part-time can be well below 30; the average comes out to about 30.
Of those working part-time (less than 35 hours), about 12% would like to work more but has no suitable work available, so these are underemployed people working part-time.
But what’s the legally defined full work week? If legally the full work week is 5 days you don’t have a 4 day work week, you just have enough privileged people and part time workers to bring the average down to 30.
I don’t know if there is a “legally defined work week.” The “average work week” is just the average hours worked by anyone performing paid labour, which includes part-time workers, who consist of about half the workforce.
So I did some quick digging and it does seem that there overall work week in Netherlands is rather flexible. That said I did find this from Arbeidstijdenwet:
2 The employer organizes the work in such a way that the employee aged 18 years or older at most work performed during:
a. 12 hours per shift; b. 60 hours a week, and c. average 48 hours per week in each period of 16 consecutive weeks.Legally the upper limit you can work in a week is 48 hours. But that’s the upper limit and not what is happening in practice. So I looked that up as well. For full-time employees I found that men average 38.4 hours and women average 35.0 hours. The average work week of 31.9 hours doesn’t mean Netherlands has 32 hour work weeks, it’s just skewed lower primarily by part time workers.
Didn’t even get a clip art icon for them.
Looks great to me.
The horror! Won’t someone think of the rich who profit from each of these vital services?!
*Profiting from the privatization of these vital services, thereby guaranteeing that those services are degraded to the lowest quality possible while reaching the smallest number of people possible while most of the funds reach the pockets of the people at the top.
As long as a profit motive exists, that motive is that the person at the top gets as much of the money possible, while the people who the services are meant to serve always get the absolute least as is possible, and what is possible continues to diminish until it reaches zero.
I am starting to feel that Fox news is for the filthy rich to watch and for people who are deluding themselves into believing that, one day, they will also become filthy rich.
