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    A brief personal report about fried chicken prices in America…

    • 2025: $24-$26 dollars for 24 pieces.
    • 2026: $26, $28, and now $31 dollars.

    Also, I am seeing many items suffering from shrinkflation. Terrific. 😒

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      tangent, I recently remembered I can make fry chicken.

      Got a family pack of chicken on sale, those god aweful giant breat pieces that are not natural. One breast, pounded out to like three sandwich sized pieces. Five chicken pieces pouned out thin- was a lot of Fin chicken. Marinated them for 20 mins in (low sodium) soy sauce. Dredged in a layer of corn starch, knocking off any extra startch so it is a thin coat. And fried em in a combo of canola/avocado oil.

      then you can put any sauce you like on em. Absolutely fire. It takes some time to do this yes, but it was so much chicken. The work to me, justifies the calorie bomb fried chicken is. Its still healthy/better than fast food chicken.

      why spend $30 when you can spend $15 and use up all your corn startch and the better part of an afternoon? lol ;)

      tanget /end

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    Another thing about being poor is that once you get a bit of money its like pouring water onto a desert because of all the deferred things. Clothes, car repairs and tires, debt, dentist, medical care, shoes. The hole people get in is deeper than it looks. A few thousand can evaporate disappointingly quickly.

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      I didnt file taxes one year with my kid as a dependent. So I filed two years at the same time. Got back $8K. 8 fucking K. The most money still to this day, I ever had at once. The govt took $3 for my deafaulted, unfinished degree, student loans ($1500 loan, I paid back in total via my tax returns $7500).

      So I had $5K left. I used to to move near a friend who had an apt opening near him, it was the same price, but knocked 40 mins off my morning commute to work/daycare and the place was better insulated for heating costs. I didnt waste any money except for paint. The new apartment had orange and PINK walls. orange and pink, oye, I left the orange, but painted the pink, green. Moved and repaired my shitbox car, stupid jetta had been leaking coolant for a bit, me and the buddy repaired it ourselves, and I think I bought good work shoes too.

      all the money was gone in about a month.

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        … buses don’t come hourly there. They come far more often.

        A car steals more time and money; having to look for a parking spot, having to focus constantly in traffic, literally indebting yourself to car subscriptions, and so on. Cars and anti-human, stroad-focused infrastructure are a cause of poverty.

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          If you can afford a car to begin with you are already at a different level of broke than people stuck taking the bus even when transit is shitty and comes once an hour. Waiting an hour for a bus each way for your daily commute is nothing like spending a few minutes in a traffic jam (which the bus would also be subject to!) or looking for a parking spot.

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            A few minutes in a traffic jam? Pah, that isn’t a traffic jam. They last for far longer.

            I never need to wait an hour for a bus - at most it’s 20 min and that’s late in the evening. Buses also aren’t subject to traffic jams as they have their own bus lanes.

            I think it’s a big sign of societal poverty when people are condemned to cars!

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              That sounds nice for you, but that’s not how public transit works in most American cities. I’ve been stuck in standstill traffic in a bus, and in a lot of areas here dedicated bus lanes are rare.

              When that’s the state you’re stuck in as a poor person, it doesn’t matter that there are all these negatives attached to taking a hollowed out public transit system; if you don’t have the money for a car you either take it (and spend an extra hour or two commuting each way due to delays or wait times) or you don’t go anywhere. Someone with the money to buy and maintain a car is objectively not more impoverished than the person who is scrounging for $1.75 to pay fare.

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                Again, that is a policy failure. Do not blame the public transit & pro-walkability/bicycleability organisations, but the car lobbies.

                Also, c’mon, a car is more expensive to maintain - it impoverishes you more. You have to pay for petrol/electricity/hydrogen, have to face traffic jams and still focus during travel, find parking spots, waste a ton of your local currency on paying it off, and so on.

                I understand it’s a situation people are stuck into in there but still, it’s an abject policy failure from elected corrupt politicians who are deep in petrol and asphalt’s pockets.

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                  Do you know the phrase that you can’t get blood from a stone? Someone who can’t even afford the car has a worse quality of life in places without good public transit, that’s why for the most part everyone who can afford it chooses to drive in those areas. I blame the state and the federal governments for improper funding, not transit agencies. Someone who can choose to spend money on driving a car instead of rent is not somehow worse off than their neighbor who can’t afford a car but still has to get to their job with an added 1-2 hours tacked on to their commute each way.

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            Waiting an hour for a bus each way for your daily commute

            Adding an hour-long commute turns an 8 hour day into a 10 hour day, for no extra pay. A $25/hr job turns into a $20/hr job.

            For the bus rider, avoiding that “commuter tax” strictly limits employment options to those employers on the same line(s) as their home. Adding a transfer slashes the hourly rate even faster.

            Further, those bus lines only operate in dense urban areas, where housing costs are also at an exorbitant premium for the space acquired.

            The driver can choose to work in less dense areas, where traffic jams simply don’t occur, parking is easy to find, and housing costs are considerably lower. The bus rider can’t: buses tend not to serve such areas.

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          Where do buses come far more often? Do you think everyone lives in the middle of a big city with working transit? Also no one said driving a car is good or a sign of wealth. Your right about cars being shitty, but that does not contradict the point which is made in the posted screenshot.

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            Most people do live in cities, yes. I live in a town with like ‘only’ 20k people and yet there’s decent public transit.

            Cars and their lobbies are the problem.

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            The only reason I got my driver’s license is because the bus was over an hour late and I missed an interview. The transit agency had the gall to tell me that I should have taken the 6am bus for a noon appointment if it was so important the 9am bus was on time.

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              And there it hits again: the core of the issue is not the bus agency, but the lack of support for excellent public transit.

              Build another car lane, it gets filled up immediately.

              Build a bus lane, have buses drive regularly between areas of cities, connect cities with each other by train, and you’ll see it’s much better. Lack of bus lanes, bicycle lanes and paths, trains, is an abject policy failure caused by short-sighted capitalist lobbyists.

              But yes, I don’t blame the agency nor you. I however do blame those politicians that claim “there’s not enough funding”. Yeah no, the cars get a lot of funding already. From building and renewing shittons of roads to building gigantic parking spots that heat up everyday in summer, car lease fraud schemes, and more.

              What man needs, is much better public transit, actually walkable cities, and bicycle lanes. China can do it and that’s a big country. The EU can do it and that’s not even a country, but many relatively bourgeoise democratic countries that together are as big as the US. Switzerland can do it and that has mountaineous as fuck, rural areas.

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                And there it hits again: the core of the issue is not the bus agency, but the lack of support for excellent public transit.

                I don’t control the busses. I don’t dictate to the busses when they need to come. I don’t dictate to the busses what routes they take, or where they will actually go. I can only accept whatever level of service they are willing to provide.

                I do control my car. I do dictate to my car when it needs to go. I create the level of service I will receive.

                The monetary price of a bus fare is significantly less than the cost of a car trip. But even with the absolute best public transit system, the opportunity costs vastly exceed the difference. An hour commute turns a $25/hr job into a $20/hr job. Employment and/or housing choices are limited: Job and home need to be on the same bus line, because a twice-daily transfer is just going to kill hourly earnings. And, of course, there is the premium on urban housing.

                Between the time costs, the housing costs, and the restrictions on employment choices, busses are a massive cost borne primarily by the impoverished.

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        taking the bus is cheaper than owning a car. I actually took the statement to more mean that you have to go to places like the assitance office in person and its located whereever which for some means some crazy transfers and such that makes it an all day and long day affair.

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          Solidarity is more than just liking each others memes. We can take care of each other if enough of us break the capitalist spell at the same time.

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          It’s technically where mutual aid comes in but I haven’t seen much of that when we are all poor together.

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            We don’t eat money. We eat food.

            The reason we all need money to eat right now is that we all continue playing the capitalists’ shitty game

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              While that’s true capitalism also pushes a lot of bills that can’t be paid in food. Rent? Want an avocado?

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    The other thing is how expensive being poor is. Laundry is like 3 dollars a load last I checked. Buy cheap shoes, expect them to last 6 months max. There are food options if you have time to cook but combined with the original poster you won’t and you don’t have transportation so delivery is only option…

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      $3 a load? Whoa.

      It takes about $17 for a single load at the laundromats near me, both washing and drying. Going once a week, that’s over $800 a year.

      Which is one reason I’ve started washing clothes in a 5-gallon (about 19 liters) bucket at home. It sucks, but it saves me money and I get a work out from it. I’d like to get a small machine I could use in an apartment, but where I live it wouldn’t be safe to have packages sitting outside all day and I try to avoid big box stores, so I feel pretty screwed.

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        You might want to look into “portable washing machines” - they’re under 100$ comes in a small box and are good for things like socks and undies. Regarding the packages, if they are shipping with ups, theres a service where you can choose an alternative delivery location, usually a place like a corner store, or with fedex, a print shop.

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          when youre talking to poor people, $100 isnt chump change. Im glad these things exsist now. 20 years ago I could have used one.

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    Poverty is more expensive than anything any millionaire or billionaire could buy. Fuck the rich.

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      The biggest punishment you could enact on those monsters is to knock them all the way down to working class.

      They couldn’t cut it in the real world, with a real job. They’d lose their mind having to respect anyone else.

      Who knows, it could even possibly reform them.

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    Literally why wealthy people pay exorbitant amounts of money to save time. It’s one thing they can’t buy back once it’s spent.

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    Waiting for buses and other public transport especially. In college I had no car and continued working a part time job that I previously borrowed my parents’ car to commute to. My options were: spending an hour and a half to commute taking a bus with a reasonable schedule but I’d have to walk over a mile alongside a busy road to my job, or spend three hours to commute due to how two route schedules matched up to drop me off at the entrance to the shopping center.

    Each of those options was one way, and this was before smart phones. I wasn’t getting anything done in that time besides listening to music and maybe reading a book while on the bus itself.

    And then I learned that on Saturdays, over half the time the bus just didn’t fucking show up at the stop where I got on, and the support phone line would just fucking lie about it.

    Plus, if I had a vehicle, the commute would have been only 20 minutes in bad traffic.

    Will say, the regular distance power walking helped keep me in great shape though.

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      I had a job 2.5 miles from my apartment. There is a bus stop on the corner of my apartment, there is a bus stop next to the job. According to the website it was 3 hours to commute by bus to get there…

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        Bicycle? Others take dedicated time to do workouts. This is basically the perfect distance for a short workout (and time in between commuting is also basically optimal for recovery according to research). Keeps you fit and healthy without thinking about doing more sport (which is still a good idea). I’m even faster on that kind of distance than a car.

        I could never drive the bus/train, commuting by bicycle is too fun and way more flexible (even than a car, considering less options for driving and parking). The distance would have to be larger than 20 miles (or non-“freedom” units: 32 km) that I would consider something else…

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        I wouldn’t be surprised if that bus included connections to other lines on top of it all.

        I had to commute by bus for a while. The transfer is where my anxiety peaked. Being miles away from home and hoping not to miss a second bus just to make it to work on time meant my brain was on high alert the whole time.

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          Bus transfers are the worst… In my city, we have a pretty good network of busses … IF your goal is the city center. All the routes just do a spiderweb towards the center. You’re on your own if you needed to go between neighborhoods.

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          I actually considered getting an ebike once to get to work, but then started mapping out a good route to take and realized the infrastructure isn’t designed for that kind of travel. Bonus, it would be at night, so statistically someone in a car would be a threat to me eventually, because bike lanes are a joke.

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      Ive run into this too. How many times Id just walk to work for the 1.5hours instead of taking the bus that took just as long, but would drop me off at work either 2hours early, or 15mins late. so Id just walk it.

      It was glorious the day I finally got a bike.

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      I don’t know your distance for commuting. But I consider the bicycle the most superior form of commuting for distances below 10 miles(16km) (personally would even cycle more than double that).

      It’s even cheaper, keeps you healthy and often is even faster than a car, considering parking, traffic lights/jams etc… I also enjoy doing that so another advantage.

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        Depends on geography

        In a more mountine town ive lived in with a bike you can be very fast downslope

        Upslope?

        20 min for 2km and you will be sweaty as hell at the end

        10 and sweaty as hell if you are fit

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          Yeah plus most jobs don’t like you showing up dripping and smelling like a varsity locker room.

          My locale even tried to build in employee showers to encourage bike commuting, but it hits 110⁰F outside and there’s not a cloud in the sky, like LOL dudes you gotta be kidding.

          I’d love to live in a place where the humble bicycle was viable beyond recreation.

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            I can recommend a cooling west for these cases. They are quite effective on the bicycle (moving air enhances the effect). I usually don’t care much about a little bit of sweat, I just turn the ventilation on max then at my office. We even have a shower, but never used it… I think sweat is overrated and often an excuse to not cycle…

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      I wonder how infrastructure would change if companies were required to reimburse valid claims of mileage or time spent (not the bus/train fare, but paying your wage for the time spent to get to work).

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        While the intent is good, as written it would probably have the unintended consequence of making it harder to get a job if you happen to live far away from the workplace, which I don’t think is the way to go

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          I knew as I wrote it that it would be far more complex than just setting a single law down. But the fact that such cost of time and money just to get to work exists suggests the burden isn’t balanced well. The case you mention of distance to a job is more a symptom of the problem of not being more localized for everything. Not just an American problem, but definitely something we deal with outside of a few major urban areas. A pay adjustment doesn’t fix that, it just is a rough patch that wouldn’t work for some.

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            In all honesty I think it’s connected to the housing crisis bleeding into basically every other political issue, because of how damn massive of a problem it is

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          Only outside the TMZ, which is why basically everything in LA is filmed within it.

          An interesting little quirk for sure

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        This could be a fantastic idea, and maybe a hammer blow to the “return to office” bullshit.

        Sure, I’ll go into the office. Pay me 25% more to account for the travel time.

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    For the laundry stuff, this is a cheap solution for your day to day stuff: a washer spinner that you hang-dry your clothes. Doesn’t help much with heavy stuff like bed sheets, but it’ll do for day-to-day stuff.

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      A working horse; one who is trained to pull a plow, costs a minimum of $3,000.00 in the USA today. Also, there’s no such thing as ‘wilderness.’ There’s plenty of uncultivated land, but it’s all owned by the government or private interests who would be averse to you showing up and planting crops.

      I suggest you go to the local library and get access to the interwebs, so you can check the facts before you start making silly suggestions.

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        Facts and nuance don’t mean anything when you’re an angry little teenaged shit on the internet.

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        Just get a small gift or loan of a few million dollars from your parents. Honestly, why don’t more of the poor think of this? Clearly they are not very smart.

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      If you believe it’s that simple, you should look into it.

      The biggest problems are water access and soil quality. Generally speaking, all of the land that is good for farming is not wilderness, it’s already owned and in use by somebody. If you have to spend money to irrigate and more money to make the soil into something that can grow food, you’ll be broke long before you’re self-sustaining.

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      So destroy more forest to grow food for one person? May I suggest an alternative. We protect the little forest that remains and instead relax zoning laws to allow people to grow food on the countless acres of grassy yard space/land we already have. Grass is an outdated non native crop originally grown by rich assholes as a staus symbol to say “I have so much I do not need to use my land for anything productive.”

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        You don’t have to tear down a forest to grow food. There are far more options out there for growing food than conventional modern farming. I totally agree about lawns, though. Lawns are stupid.

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    I’ve known people to be on hold for 6-8 hours for multiple days with the local food stamp office without being able to get in touch with anyone. At one point the automatic message when you called was ‘too many people are calling, hang up.’

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    If I’ve learned anything, it’s that bad public transportation is a conscious choice by the government.

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    I’m going to just say whole I fully agree with the sentiment, Transit needs to not be looked at as a part of poverty. Alot of cities have transit used by all walks of life.