Senator Lindsey Graham dedicated his life to serving the people of South Carolina and the United States.
Throughout his career, he stood resolutely in defence of democracy and freedom, most recently and particularly with Ukraine and its people.
I offer my condolences to Senator Graham’s family, friends, and all those who served alongside him.
It’s real. Apparently Joly and Anand also chimed in.
I love how the flatlanders come out in force whenever Mark sneezes
Shut up, Mark.
What the absolute fuck, etc. Could have and SHOULD have said nothing.
In case you don’t know what Lindsay Graham was, especially in Canadian context, David Doel did a good recap.
The last sentence would be acceptable, first two weren’t really true
Carney’s playing politics, riling up Trump or the Republicans would just put his statements into the news cycle for weeks and then the 51st rhetoric would go around again.
That being said, yeah, saying nothing sounds good. If it wasn’t nothing, I would have preferred him just keep it far more neutral.
He should not have said anything, if he had to I would have really preferred he rilled up the Trump ass eaters. Got Canadians back to the boycott a little more.
It’s rhetorical appeasement. And to be clear, I’m drawing a parallel with Chamberlain.
I kind of assume Carney is part of the new liberal establishment (think Clinton, Biden but also Bush) so recently overthrown by Trumpism in the US - but I’m not Canadian so it’s a little fuzzy.
Trump only care about himself.
What an absolute cuck of a prime minister, fuck this guy.
Nope. Learn when to keep your mouth shut Mark. This, is not working to unite Canada.
Centrists are just conservatives too afraid of the label
Centrists are the least informed and ironically are the most authoritarian bunch of the left-right paradigm.

Fuck you too, Mark.
oh fuck off Mark. all that good will and optimism from the people you had earlier this year you’ve quickly squandered. You have quickly turned your party into “The Cons V2” so now we have to rely on the god damn NDP who STILL don’t have their shit together.
you’re not helping, you didn’t need to say anything, Stop ass kissing the US when you were in fucking commercials with mike myers saying “elbows up”. fuck off buddy. I TOTALLY regret voting for this ass clown.
Lewis is working pretty quickly to make the NDP relevant again. That’s why Poilivre is being kept around despite no hope of forming a majority - to drive Canada towards a two party system.
Liberals have been acting like the USA democrat faux progressives for a while. Like when smaller parties started running on voter reform to avoid getting stuck in the same two party ‘fascists vs faux opposition’ deal that has already turned the states into a corrupt pillaging competition. Liberals suddenly ran on voter reform, and when Trudeau won he was immediately like “oh THAT’S what voter reform means? Oh of course we’re not doing THAT lol.” and all momentum for voter reform was lost.
Corpo fascists in anti fascist clothing, and local progressives can’t seem to gather without chasing all of the effort out of the group with local toe stepping, and god forbid instead of bombs we ever get money put into taking modern understanding of complex systems and using it to scale heterarchical cooperation between non-identical groups with honest progressive intents.
So you have fascists pretending to be progressive, and progressives attacking different kinds of progressives instead of the fascists, and everyone gets mad when you try to make this particular framing more salient.
I got weird looks when I’d originally been asked what I thought about Carney before his election, and I said "he is saying and doing the right things, but I only expect that to last as far as it’s opportunistically useful.
He’s playing the political game now in a way that legitimizes that fascist regime that keeps threatening our country, and I’m not on the side of ‘safely’ capitulating to fascist regimes.
So you have fascists pretending to be progressive, and progressives attacking different kinds of progressives instead of the fascists, and everyone gets mad when you try to make this particular framing more salient.

looks about right.
TLDR: it’s a hard balance without letting groups get derailed or astroturfed, but if we can’t actively scale progressive efforts collectively, we will all die in our little lonely bubbles knowing that at least “i got mine,” or whatever.
although i’d suggest a lot of the leftist infighting is instigated, a large part of it is the half-century of rich jerks attacking education and science, both systemically and culturally.
progressive groups tend to grow out of lived traumas, and seem weirdly easy to pit against each other due to their natural stress and defensiveness.
there are good examples like groups like atheists fighting and feminists while the heritage foundation and cohorts run away with the cake. atheists trying to ban circumcision in the USA? obviously it’s because they hate women, better rally and attack them and make them defensive and not able to continue making the heritage foundation’s corruption too salient. feminists academics figuring out how model social structures so that we can act with more basic freedoms and autonomy outside of the constraints of systems that we already know are not working? obviously these are the same people attacking the atheists for the misogyny of trying to get circumcision banned and sending them images of phallic mutilation. i wish more feminists successfully fought for a presentation counter to that, the same way one would not care to associate with TERFS (who act as progressives, but ignore trans rights through the same weird ‘letting trans people exist hurts women somehow probably, don’t think about it.’ kinda crap.)
usually the problems (of people who actually care about general progressive ideals) boil down to bad/disabled communication, and refusal to actually engage with the perspective of the other group/party. i wish more progressive groups would grow an arm specifically for comprehending and enacting efforts at different scales, mixed with modern academic understanding of complex and high-dimensional living systems, which is an essay or five in itself. unless we collectively put value there, we just won’t have the tools to properly scale collective intent.
i think all groups have an easily influenced chud populace, but these pots definitely feel additionally stirred, and i used to have a long list of little media corps that came and went doing nothing but articles stirring up divisive shit for congregate sites. trying to just talk about out how to make progressive cooperation work has gotten me banned from a weirdly high number of progressive communities as well over the past 2 decades, so i think it’s safe to say this topic still hasn’t been allowed to become salient enough.
solidarity is important for a reason. it’s a shame i can’t interact with half of the groups because if the subgroup starts lynching someone, and you say "these are innocent people catching strays, and ‘punching up’ by punching down at the ‘bad identity group’ when you have the power to do so is harmful to anything we should be trying to achieve from any actual academic comprehension of intersectionality and our high-dimensional lived reality. trying to encourage a group to act in a way that doesn’t isolate them and hurt their effort just gets you banned, and now we are in modern times and it went as you would expect.
it’s really hard to navigate these spaces because of how paradoxical the lived experiences become in diverse groups actively growing and further complexifying their own precision and weighting on polysemous boundings (such as the ‘nobody agrees on what liberals are’ problem.) also science communication is shit, so we don’t have anyone actively communicating this stuff to the public, also i guess adults just have no incentive to learn anything ever unless they are already in an academically enabled pocket, which is its’ own conversation. would really be a really functional spot for artists and other communicators, which do exist, but are mostly paid to make advertisements so people who have too much money can be more salient and make a bigger portion of the money. etc.
shit’s broke.
“The NDP don’t have their shit together” brother what the fuck are you talking about? They had an election for a new leader that went really well(ranked-choice voting is awesome) and Lewis is sending out a strong, clear message. They’ve always been available but Canadians fall so easily for the idea that the Liberals are the “default” that we chose 95% of Pierre Poilievre to avoid him instead of raying behind the party that actually demand real change. In 2021, the NDP got well over half the votes that the LPC did but because the seats didn’t work out proportionally everyone just went “the NDP has no support”.
I know you have your regrets, and glad you’ve seen the problem eventually, but deflection isn’t going to help anyone.
What a dirty sack of shit.
Lol everyone in this thread is acting like an outrage addicted moron.
Learn how to play politics dumbasses, sometimes it involves doing and saying distasteful things.
Grow up.
Fuck off. Never praise war criminals you dumbfuck.
Lmfao, “the best path forward is one of naiivey doing whatever seems most right to outside observers”.
Again, give up the rageahol, and grow up.
Fuck you. You are ok with praising a war criminal calling for genocide and invading canada. Trump only care about himself, there is no good reason to praise this scum.
He’s literally praising him to try and convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine.
That alone is good enough reason.
He is praising a war criminal supporting every bloody usa war , who threatened canada , who cslled for flattening gaza comparing palestine to nazi germnay. You are an idiot if you believe this wilñ make trump support ukraine more. You should revaluate your shitty moral compass
You should reevaluate your Internet usage and how addicted to outrage you are.
Anybody with a single grain of morality get outraged by people defending scummy people and warmongers
Lindsey Graham has called for the invasion of Canada. You know what else is good politics? Knowing when to shut the fuck up.
You know what’s quite frankly more important right now then pissing and moaning about Graham’s sycophantic public statements to please Trump?
Convincing Trump to keep supporting Ukraine.
Indignant outrage is a cheap high, not smart politics.
You know what absolutely did not convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine? This stupid ass fucking tweet.
Also, guess what. Carney doesn’t need Lindsey Graham’s vote or Donald Trump’s vote to keep his position. He needs our votes, so maybe praising someone who wanted the USA to invade Canada is actually really stupid politics.
You know what absolutely did not convince Trump to keep supporting Ukraine? This stupid ass fucking tweet.
You literally don’t know that. Lots of people have accused Mark Rutte of pandering to Trump, but from all reporting it’s worked because Trump is actually that vane. Reminding him that one of his closest supporters vehemently supported Ukraine has a chance of moving the needle.
Also, guess what. Carney doesn’t need Lindsey Graham’s vote or Donald Trump’s vote to keep his position. He needs our votes, so maybe praising someone who wanted the USA to invade Canada is actually really stupid politics.
Lmfao “why isn’t carney pandering to us, we’re the reactionarily outraged!”
I think you’re confusing him for PP, Carney is the one who behaves like an adult.
Pandering to us? What, you mean Canadians? Who would presumably like not being invaded by the USA? Should Carney not pander to his constituents over dead US senators?
Not every statement is designed to appeal to you personally.
If years from now you don’t vote for Carney because of this tweet, everyone will look at you extremely confused.
This is just ragebait from OP, nothing more.
Well Carney could at least design a statement that appeals to Canada instead of Donald Trump. That would sure be nice. He was elected to represent us, after all.
That’s just it.
In Canada the proper politics would be to celebrate another dead yankee.
To appease the US you can write a message like this.
Meeting in the middle is saying nothing. So the good pragmatist makes no statement.
This is simple-munded nonsense.
“You’re either with us or against us.”
It’s binary thinking garbage.
How is listing 3 options a binary?
Throughout his career, he stood resolutely in defence of democracy and freedom
Didn’t know Mark Cuckey is a former writer for the Beaverton
Fuck carney the bullshitter
People have been calling Carney a “red Tory” but I think he’s actually a 2000s era neoconservative. We’ve more or less made David fucking Frum our prime minister.
Let us also not forget that Lindsey Graham called for the invasion of Canada at least once. That is apparently what the “right, honourable” Mark Carney considers to be a resolute defender of democracy.
Graham was an absolute fucking cunt. The only thing he was ever good at was eating Trump’s ass. Everyone knows he loved going deep on that one.











