And by immigrants I really mean immigrants: you don’t have the nationality and live in the country = you’re an immigrant.
I keep reading about the plans of parties to kick out all immigrants, stop letting in any, and some parties even advocate to revoke dual-nationalities and kick those people out too. I’ve never really understood what the point of it is and have trouble imagining what the effects of such actions would be within the country.
I think the logic can be accurately summarized by:
- Kick out all the immigrants
- ???
- Profit
We know the meme, and this is the real life embodiment.
I’ve been told (verbatim):
The lower classes are struggling because immigrants have lowered the accepted pay below minimum wage. They accept any job and are willing to accept worse working conditions because it’s better than what they know. The local population thus cannot compete. Once the immigrants are kicked out, low paying jobs will be forced to increase their wages and working conditions to make it palatable to the locals.
It kind of makes sense, until you start asking questions like:
- why would the wages go up?
- why do you assume working conditions would get better?
- if the wages went up, wouldn’t the prices go up and the lower classes still struggle?
Then I just get “we’ll see, but first we have to get them out” at which point the discussion ends, because there’s no discussing when somebody’s changed their mind. I am curious though, maybe studies have been done on this? Maybe there are serious projects on the effects of banning immigration?
They don’t mean it. They just want someone for the working class to blame. They need immigrants to work for cheap and to only be here during their “productive” years and they need someone to blame for low wages and lack of local jobs.
Who is paying them under the table? Doesn’t that mean they are not paying their share of payroll taxes, wsib etc? Why not crack down on this?
Who let them into the country? Was it because they couldn’t find local people willing to take low paying jobs? This takes both the company and the government to make happen.
Will off shoring end? Not likely…
Will foreign companies be discouraged from investing in the country? Absolutely not.
If there is no one for the poorest and most exploited working class american to feel superior to, will he continue to buy into the ‘american dream’?
The actual response to that should be ‘okay, then let’s force those companies to pay better and improve working solutions for everyone including immigrants’.
But yeah you’re not gonna convince racists.
And magically they’ll argue against their first point right away.
“No, no, no, you can’t raise the minimum wage or everything will get more expensive! We need a class of people to be exploited so I can get my cheap cheeseburger!!”
Local companies cannot compete because of globalism, we must ban imports from China and then local companies can compete.
That’s the furthest I’ve gotten with these people. It’s why I’m interested in what kind of other ideas they have about how the world works.
Homogeneity of the in-group.
There are people coming in, and they are different. Differences cause discomfort. There are two solutions to that. Accept them making the in-group more diverse, or gate keep and kick them out to keep the identity of the in-group.
you need someone to explain racism to you?
There’s no need to be condescending.
The know they can’t eject all immigrants, but the terror, chaos and disenfranchisement will create a caste of second class “citizens” with no rights.
So they want new slaves. That tracks.
You have to draw a line between illegals, legal and asylum seekers.
1st group: is just way of life. A country usually use these group as low class labor, they usually take up jobs what born citizens don’t want to.
2nd group: oh boy they are way better than your average citizen. They go through so many hoops and loops to get the legal status that a born citizen don’t even think about. And they are brave as heck too. Fresh blood, new ideas and diversity - usually skilled / educated jobs.
3rd group: they need help. They don’t want to be here. If things get better back home they will probably leave. Your country is doing the right things, they bring you new culture new blood.Immigration is good for the country. Look up what happened in the southern states when the government decided to stop all illegal and unregistered work on the fields. Spoiler: literal spoilage happened.
Closing off a country is a very bad idea. Just look at some global history (Japan comes to my mind).
And even North Korea is accepting some carefully selected new blood. Do you think they would do that if it is bad for them?How does that matter? That’s just a talking point to rally the dumb masses so they can seize power. They don’t care, they don’t care neither about black nor brown nor white folk. They care about themselves, they and their gangster buddies, we are being run by a fucking motorcycle gang, a geriatric, obese, dumb, pedophile rapist gang. They will never stop unless stopped.
Supposedly, they are taking government funds for help (like refugees) and polluting the pureness of the culture.
In reality they are making locals even richer by taking shit jobs at low salary, and enriching the culture (like food!)
A) it doesn’t get better in any way (try to kick out everyone with a name starting with P and you’ll get the same effect)
B) the political party who said it will make everything better now must double down (so either do more deportations, or if they’re smart, not actually do the first deportations except some wild media covered ones)
See this post for more of what’s coming: https://piefed.social/c/pravda_news@news.abolish.capital/p/2215727/fascism-is-here-rubio-miller-say-more-terrorist-designations-coming-for-far-left-groups
The short answer is that all the labor the immigrants are performing goes away. That includes a bunch of people who are literally only in the country in order to work, incidentally. The right wing populist’s alleged dream would be a real shit idea, who’s shocked.
Fascism needs an enemy to put the blame on. After the immigrants it will be someone else.
Who do you think it would be? My guess: not the rich.
Critics of the system, members of other political parties, people following the wrong religion, homosexuals, the mentally disabled… the list is long.
They’ve already announced it with their aspiration to deport 100 million people. (That is, there are about 100 million non-white people in the United States.)
@atro_city @Menschlicher_Fehler well, the next ones will be trans people, then gays, then they just devolve into everyone non-white is evil, and then they start putting limits on whiteness as well.
First you separate. Then you make everyone “other” into slaves.
There is no second step or “and then”. It’s just cheap rhetoric that gets people agitated, which yields votes. It’s called populism, among other things. The psychological dynamics behind it are similar to how the privileged never face their colonial history, either in formal education or in public discourse, since it’s awkward, unrelatable, but first and foremost unthinkable, that any culpability or responsibility for the state of society that the privileged deem inconvenient could lie with them.
Also it allows the government to be openly hostile to an out group to desensitize them to future violence against domestic groups that oppose fascism.
Definitely! A means of otherization/alienation/demonization.
You expect racist pieces of shit to think their actions through?
Underestimating racists is a serious mistake. Of course they have another agenda, but what they say and what they do are different things. Discussing what their messaging is and what they will ultimately do is informative to me. I don’t frequent racists and they aren’t united in their messaging, so reading what others have heard/read can give another aspect and paint a fuller picture. With that information, responses can be prepared or other actions taken.
I’m not suggesting anyone underestimate them. I’m just saying they’re going for the populist “they’re eating the pets” bullshit and probably don’t have an actual plan, like we’ve seen with the orange pedophile’s administration. It’s all theater to gain power.
I really do think you’re under-estimating them. It’s the same thing the Christian democrats did in Germany when they gave Hitler the position of prime minister: “give him enough rope to hang himself”.
They thought he was an idiot. Saying “racists don’t think their actions through” is under-estimating in my book. There were scientists, doctors, and other intellectuals that spear-headed the third reich. They though their actions through pretty well and were humungous racists and enemies of humanity.
Have they demonstrated that they do have a plan beyond “deport them all”?
“Bring back real families” aka outlaw queers and any “non-traditional” relationships, change what is taught at school, exit the EU, ban burkhas in public buildings (then public spaces), and so on. So yeah, shift the blame of why things aren’t going well to a new group.
That’s pretty much what I mean. They’re going for the low-hanging fruit. As far as dealing with actual problems? Nothing.
I’ve seen this happen in my home country. The xenophobes were voted in and they showed that they had no plan. This is the most incompetent government in the history of my country. They have no capability of dealing with real issues, all they can do is yell about “the great replacement” and demonize people who aren’t as white as the driven snow.
