Not having a conversation with my supervisor for months at a time is literally the dream.
If I didn’t have to explain the same exact shit I did last week in the 4th different way and have you still not understand, BUT still want to…
I appreciate that you want to understand, but I recognize you won’t and that is okay. You don’t need to know the details to take credit for the work. Your insistence to understand is wasting all of our time and most of my productivity.
lol what a load of bullshit
AI bullshit!
I’m sure there is a little truth to it sometimes but one big thing this ignores is that many of us have always had remote coworkers because our employer has multiple offices in different cities, countries, and continents around the world. I’m not worried about someone who’s in the office with my boss passing me by because that’s a tiny minority of everyone we work with anyway.
Interestingly, this is also why WFH has held up at the company where I work. Even when you go in to the office, you spend half the day on zoom. Our company has consolidated floors, closed whole offices and entire campuses to reduce the amount of real estate it pays to maintain. There’s a lot of savings in it for them. And our CEO has said that he likes how remote work makes it trivial to get the entire leadership team together for a conversation because they aren’t all flying around the world constantly, inaccessible for days at a time because they’re traveling. They do make in person visits, but don’t live on planes like they used to. They also did the math and they exceeded their 10 year goal for climate reduction overnight just by going to remote.
There are so many benefits for the company as well as the employees that I’m really confused why some companies go all RTO. Probably they just don’t have good systems in place to know who’s doing their job. We do.
Happened to me… Except that before last step I quit.
Left a job of 10 years, project lead senior engineer, because fuckers FAFO’d an RTO. Of a team of 5, I was one they expected to stay because I was “close to the office”. I was the first one to find a new, full time remote job.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
How is that bullshit? People do like to give promotions to other people they like, sometimes irrelevant of talent. Look at literally all non-democratic governments.
And it’s no secret random conversations not about work happen a lot more in person. These are the kind of conversations that make friendships, not the 1 on 1 with your manager on teams.
This is why most sane companies don’t force you to do 4 days but instead make it so that if you only have to do 2 days at the office, they’re the same 2 days of the week for everyone to avoid the situation in this post.
So incompetent management promoting the people who suck up to them (their “friends”) rather than based on results and how well people are competing their tasks.
Sounds like a shit company/manager to work for. Better off finding another job.Also, people tend to get promoted faster by switching employers. Don’t fall for the lie of “company loyalty”.
“slop on linkedin? better put the slop on lemmy too”
I’ve been working remote-first since 1998, most of the time fully remote, and ended up at the C-suite level very quickly. Try to find companies who value competency or create one yourself (I know - easier said than done). This infographic is more about how to play a stupid game at a shitty company.
Promoted twice since I last saw my boss in person. I asked him if would see any issue himself or for the company if I relocated myself back across the country closer to family; he was confused as to why I even asked.
He’s not even a particularly good boss in most ways, but tons of people want to work for him because he stays the fuck out of their way.
he stays the fuck out of their way.
That’s like, 70% of good management.
Another 20% is keeping everyone else out of the way too.
Honestly, this is the real underated trick. A great manager removes blockers. There job is first and foremost to get shit off the train tracks.
I had a manager who wanted to know what we did. Understand it. Really get into the info, because only then could she really lead us, she thought.
Worst manager I had for a long while. She didn’t understand anything and was easily annoyed by it. We were software engineers, she some media marketing whatever person. That ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah. The one time you actually need a manager is when you have some fuck-up of a coworker who’s making things worse for everybody.
Another 25 is keeping other people out of your way also. The last 5? Going to bat for you when needed.
What’s that old quote from some famous guy “I just surrounded myself with people who were smart and interested in the company success then got out of there way”… It was something like that
Whoever came up with this has probably always used ‘optics first, actual results last’ in their shitty career so far.
Considering this was made with AI, yes, absolutely
Fitting. LLM feels like working with that coworker that his core skills are actually convincing everyone (especially management) that he provides value, when in reality he drags everyone’s performance down.
Fake it til you make it
Fake it till others believe your bullshit.
I’ll probably get downvoted, and your mileage may vary, but it’s possible that being visible and in-person with your coworkers increases your chances of getting a raise or promotion.
In a perfect world it wouldn’t make a difference if your performance is good in a remote position, but humans are not perfectly logical and rational creatures. There’s going to be bias and emotion involved when it comes to giving promotions.
As others have said, many managers are kind of stupid and don’t have good object permanence.
There’s a guy at work who’s very visible but most of what he’s doing is bad. He’s like writing a linter from scratch instead of just using the tools we already have. But he’s visible, and idiot managers that don’t understand how computers work think he’s doing great work. The engineers that actually get shit done competently are quietly whispering about how to block and delay this guy’s nonsense.
At my last job, whenever the manager and one of the guys would both be in the office together, by the end of the day they’d have cooked up some horrible idea. Then the rest of us would struggle to take stop it without losing all our social capital. Maybe if we’d all been in the office that would’ve been easier, but if they knew how to fucking collaborate it also would have been fine.
Maybe that’s your point. There are people who are incompetent at collaboration and communication. They will never get better. Being in office with them is maybe the only way to deal with that.
but it’s possible that being visible and in-person with your coworkers increases your chances of getting a raise or promotion.
On my current job for about 2 years, I had 2 promotions. Both times I had to literally go to my boss and tell “for current payrate and for current set of responsibilities, you can go fuck yourself, I’m out”. Only after that I got promoted. Doubt it will work third time, so I actively look for new job.
Point is - no one in our company gets promotions, no matter if you literally suck CEO dry (CEO is a “she”, so that would be at least funny to watch) or if you freelancer that no one seen in office even once (me).
and your mileage may vary Maybe I’m in this category tho, but feels like it’s global problem, judging by comments.
I find it works better for staff to come in if they are still learning on a task. I am far more likely to get people to ask me and each other questions in person than over email and instant message.
I’ve literally given a job to two people, broken out the components on who would do what, told them to coordinate with each other, them found out later they never reached out to each other once. Then I had to get involved in redoing the task.
Yeah, I’d forgotten this aspect. I’ve been mostly fully remote for six years. Whenever I very occasionally work in the office, being knowledgeable on many of the things we work on, I get bombarded with questions all day.
One thing I noticed when people would call into a meeting and other people were in a room for same meeting, the computer screen was always shared so any data or presentation was shown to the call-in people but then someone in room would ask a question and the presenter would draw a diagram or a drawing on the white board and the call in person completely missed it.
Like a presenter would report data and say something like “the measurements of dimension 0.45 +/- 0.005 are trending upwards close to the control limit” and then someone in room asks “what is that dimension for”. The presenter would then go to the white board and draw a diagram. You might say can’t you just pull up the drawing on the computer and the answer in yes except for where 2 parts interact. You could pull up both drawings and kinda move mouse around like see this feature, then switch to second drawing, move mouse around second feature and be like feature one snaps into feature 2. Or draw a simple diagram in 30 seconds.
Or… You can use one of the many tools that meeting software providers that lets you draw on your shared screen. I’m pretty sure Teams solved this problem in at least 2022, possibly before.
True but drawing with a marker and drawing with a mouse never mind a laptop touchpad are very different skills.
I was honestly assuming the person would be using a smartboard or large touchscreen for a presentation anyway…
Why wouldn’t there be a camera on the white board? Poor tech implementation.
Off the top of my head at that office I think there were 22 meeting rooms. Most with 2 white boards if not more. So you would need to buy 44 cameras. Alot of them werent even real white boards but like these clear glass boards which were hung infront of a white wall.
I don’t know if you know who Casey muratori is but I would of loved a white board in the style he has. It’s basically translucent and he writes on the back of it and it’s over laid on his stream. He jumps between his computer to show code and then goes to board to do diagrams or quick math or whatever.
Owl cameras area great, they follow speakers around the room. You could even mount a plain old security camera on the ceiling and attach it to the videoconference system.
Does that guy just flip his video so that he can write forwards and you still see it forwards? Writing equations backwards would be a hell of a skill. I’d probably end up forgetting how to write them forwards.
Yeah, I’ve been remote for most of the last 20 years. Some people seem to lack object permanence and organization skills and completely forget that their remote coworkers/subordinates exist.
Disgusting.
The “Nobody connects it to the four days… But you do” can also be a subtle “it’s all always been in your head and nobody else is thinking like this”
Do companies even still promote people? I’ve never seen major raises without having to switch jobs anywhere I’ve worked.
Because those employers are hoarding the money that would go towards a raise, only shoveling it into the maws of their CEOs and shareholders.
I think this very much depends on the person. My boss is one of those types who feels more connected when he is talking around the water cooler. I am very much not. Before him as boss, I was very much thriving in a remote/travel gig, under him, I am very much not.
Not to say I’m going to change my remote status, for one, I’m 1000 miles away. If I change anything, it would be places of employment.
As for this infographic? Like most things in life - it depends. Figure out your boss, and your boss’s boss. Then do what you need to do to achieve your goals.
My goal? Not to get promoted. I don’t want to manage people.
Yep. I’ll take the raise and pass on the promotion thanks. And no promotion is worth spending 10 hours a week commuting (to me).
I appreciate the admission that promotions have nothing to do with fitness or performance.
All I see reading this is that managers and CEOs have never reached the object permanence phase of brain development, and need to be constantly visually reminded their employees exist or they’ll never promote them regardless of the work they do.
But then, I guess no manager of a multi-office company has had a team member in another location prior to COVID, so how could they possibly have planned for what to do in that situation.
My first thought was, how do you work at a company with literal toddlers at management level and above and expect it to end well? I just started at a job where my boss is planning on slowing down and stepping back. A key part of getting the job was a willingness to work independently and with little to no direct supervision.
But then my boss is in touch with his business and aware of what’s happening without having to actively spy on us. Also finding he loathes progress reports for the sake of progress reports. I’m still adjusting to no longer being actively micromanaged but it’s clear that I need to check in when something is too much for me or when it’s finished, anything else is wasting time.
Ding ding ding ding
My takeaway is that internal promotions aren’t based on merit and you gotta schmooze.
I mean, yes, that’s true.
07++ You die childless full of remorse because your job couldnt support a SAHM and required you to drive to office everyday so no time to see your would be children.
It’s real, but it frames it as though it’s the employees fault for not doing self-promotion rather than the manager’s fault for not keeping track of all the team members it’s his job to support.
100% shitty management - remote workers force managers to do more than just float around an office having hallway conversations.
