Newly unsealed court documents from the UK are revealing more details about the charges facing the Tate brothers, including rape and sex trafficking. CNN’s Carolina Peguero has details from Miami.
You hope for a less humane system? Weird. I don’t think that stops people like the Tates, in all likelihood it helps create the kind of society theyve thrived in: One that’s callously hyper masculine and irresponsible.
With ideas like that around, he can one day emerge bragging about how he’s a chad for beating up rape gangs and surviving a prison combat ring.
I think doing what was done to Anders Brievek would be better: The world shocked by how humane he’s kept, and news of him begging for a PS4 comes out. It showed him off as immature, needy, abd reactionary.
I don’t think that stops people like the Tates, in all likelihood it helps create the kind of society they’ve thrived in: One that’s callously hyper masculine and irresponsible.
I wish more people understood just how precisely and even exactly true this is in practice. This kind of crime is always present to some degree or another, but it doesn’t flourish when society itself has safety nets, help for people in crisis, and communities that in general care about the well-being of their members.
Rape is a confusing event involving disregard and disrespect for someone’s autonomy, words, sensations, and body. It’s disempowering, hurtful, and confusing, that’s part of why it’s traumatic. Parts of it exist in a gray area, whilst other parts are horribly negative.
People can and have been raped by people they were attracted to. In relationships with, or even people they married. That doesn’t make it harmless, or okay.
Saying “they’re probably gay so they might like it” is more the rapists viewpoint than someone understanding the victims. It’s like saying “they flirted with me so they obviously wanted it”. Or “she’s a slut she probably enjoyed it”.
… ultimately we have to understand these arguments and see them, so we don’t perpetuate that kind of thinking.
Remember that you’re defending the Tate brothers here. Do you even realize the impact these two assholes had on the world with their hate platform? The misogynistic and homophobic movement and trends they created? The number of young boys and men they influenced?
As I mentioned to someone else, people like them or Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the same violence they preached and enabled.
I’m not defending anyone specifically, I’m defending EVERYONE against rape culture and the cycle of encouraging violence.
The idea that someone deserves violence IS the problem. People deserve clarity, a sense of self-awareness, a lifting up of intelligent responsibility to themselves and others.
“Corrective rape” or “corrective violence” won’t bring anyone closer to a sense of empathy, or intelligent responsibility to the community and others.
At some point we have to get past these views that violence is useful, or a way to fixing things. Ultimately a better society has to be constructed, that takes effort and thoughtfulness over time… You can’t violence your way to a better world. Ultimately you have to exercise, educate, communicate, and hence form the characters that you want to have in the world. That takes effortful care, not destruction and harm.
I don’t think the prison system will change the Tate’,s perspective, I don’t think a beating will either. I think being raised in a better society probably has the best chance.
To my mind, it’s not a society where certain people “deserve” violence for the violence they decided ithers deserve. You’re just going to end up with a lot of violence and resentment if that’s your model of life.
You need to have restorative, communicative, and peaceful form of justice, rather than a punishment and retribution model of justice. Ultimately someone has to build the better world.
All I can do is copy my comment from above. Judge a society on how it treats its prisoners. I hope the Tate brothers are imprisoned for decades in accordance with the law
People like the Tate brothers have had an incredibly huge and terrible influence on society on a global scale. They’ve started a whole culture of misogyny on a scale which we’ve never seen before. They’ve also trafficked human beings who were exploited for sex.
They used their platform to cause unimaginable harm on the minds of young boys and men. Little girls, women and queer people have suffered from men who listened to them. This will have a lasting effect that’ll probably take decades or a whole generation to decrease and eliminate.
So don’t give me this holier than thou BS. People like him and Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the violence they preached, enabled, and inflicted.
Was it anybody else for any other kind of crime, I might agree with you depending on the case. But not in this one.
There’s nothing “holier than thou” about this my man. There isn’t a crime possible where you’re going to be able to justify rape as an appropriate punishment. They can spend the rest of their lives in prison
I hope they get butt fucked in jail real good. I hope they become someone’s bitch. I hope they get shanked.
You hope for a less humane system? Weird. I don’t think that stops people like the Tates, in all likelihood it helps create the kind of society theyve thrived in: One that’s callously hyper masculine and irresponsible.
With ideas like that around, he can one day emerge bragging about how he’s a chad for beating up rape gangs and surviving a prison combat ring.
I think doing what was done to Anders Brievek would be better: The world shocked by how humane he’s kept, and news of him begging for a PS4 comes out. It showed him off as immature, needy, abd reactionary.
I wish more people understood just how precisely and even exactly true this is in practice. This kind of crime is always present to some degree or another, but it doesn’t flourish when society itself has safety nets, help for people in crisis, and communities that in general care about the well-being of their members.
Justifying rape is in turn upholding and reinforcing rape culture.
No one deserves to be raped.
Seeing how most of these toxic masculine dudes seem to be closeted, they might like it.
Rape is a confusing event involving disregard and disrespect for someone’s autonomy, words, sensations, and body. It’s disempowering, hurtful, and confusing, that’s part of why it’s traumatic. Parts of it exist in a gray area, whilst other parts are horribly negative.
People can and have been raped by people they were attracted to. In relationships with, or even people they married. That doesn’t make it harmless, or okay.
Saying “they’re probably gay so they might like it” is more the rapists viewpoint than someone understanding the victims. It’s like saying “they flirted with me so they obviously wanted it”. Or “she’s a slut she probably enjoyed it”.
… ultimately we have to understand these arguments and see them, so we don’t perpetuate that kind of thinking.
Remember that you’re defending the Tate brothers here. Do you even realize the impact these two assholes had on the world with their hate platform? The misogynistic and homophobic movement and trends they created? The number of young boys and men they influenced?
As I mentioned to someone else, people like them or Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the same violence they preached and enabled.
I’m not defending anyone specifically, I’m defending EVERYONE against rape culture and the cycle of encouraging violence.
The idea that someone deserves violence IS the problem. People deserve clarity, a sense of self-awareness, a lifting up of intelligent responsibility to themselves and others.
“Corrective rape” or “corrective violence” won’t bring anyone closer to a sense of empathy, or intelligent responsibility to the community and others.
At some point we have to get past these views that violence is useful, or a way to fixing things. Ultimately a better society has to be constructed, that takes effort and thoughtfulness over time… You can’t violence your way to a better world. Ultimately you have to exercise, educate, communicate, and hence form the characters that you want to have in the world. That takes effortful care, not destruction and harm.
I don’t think the prison system will change the Tate’,s perspective, I don’t think a beating will either. I think being raised in a better society probably has the best chance.
To my mind, it’s not a society where certain people “deserve” violence for the violence they decided ithers deserve. You’re just going to end up with a lot of violence and resentment if that’s your model of life.
You need to have restorative, communicative, and peaceful form of justice, rather than a punishment and retribution model of justice. Ultimately someone has to build the better world.
You’re supporting the exact rape culture that helped create the Tate brothers.
Sorry. I totally understand your point.
I hope none of these things ever happen to anyone in prison
We’ve really been trained to believe rape is a state sanctioned punishment imposed as part of incarceration.
It’s inconceivable that we might operate a prison system that isn’t some kind of Kafka-esque nightmare intent on breaking people of their humanity.
It’s horrifying how much rape is seen as appropriate punishment.
I hope it happens to the Tate brothers. If anyone deserves it, it’s them.
All I can do is copy my comment from above. Judge a society on how it treats its prisoners. I hope the Tate brothers are imprisoned for decades in accordance with the law
People like the Tate brothers have had an incredibly huge and terrible influence on society on a global scale. They’ve started a whole culture of misogyny on a scale which we’ve never seen before. They’ve also trafficked human beings who were exploited for sex.
They used their platform to cause unimaginable harm on the minds of young boys and men. Little girls, women and queer people have suffered from men who listened to them. This will have a lasting effect that’ll probably take decades or a whole generation to decrease and eliminate.
So don’t give me this holier than thou BS. People like him and Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the violence they preached, enabled, and inflicted.
Was it anybody else for any other kind of crime, I might agree with you depending on the case. But not in this one.
There’s nothing “holier than thou” about this my man. There isn’t a crime possible where you’re going to be able to justify rape as an appropriate punishment. They can spend the rest of their lives in prison