oh noes!!!

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    I won’t be happy until NOBODY willingly goes to the Untied States. Why is anybody still going there?

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    As someone in the US this hurts but fuck it, this the right thing to do, otherwise people here will keep pretending national politics is just an amusing pro-wrestling show where the outside real world impacts are ancillary to the show happening.

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        You guys should have stopped using American tech so the billionaires wouldn’t buy legislation against everyone else’s interest. Bet you’re still using it. If so, fuck off.

        I told people til blue in the face to stop.

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        I don’t think most Americans realize just how much damage has been done to America’s reputation, internationally.

        I’ve been to the US a lot, traveled the country. Spent god only knows how much money shopping there and online from US based companies. Heck, I’ve even imported cars from the US.

        I can’t see myself doing any of those things, can I avoid it, any time soon. I realize I’m probably not in any sort of majority, feeling this way, but I’m not alone, either.

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          I think we’re mostly aware, because it’s the same in our own country. I was a patriotic teen that grew up in a military family, and I remember celebrating the Bicentennial in 1976, and I looked forward to seeing the 250th Birthday.

          Yet when it hit this summer, I couldn’t have been less enthusiastic. I didn’t bother to go see any fireworks, and the day passed without much notice. It wasn’t just me, nobody seemed too thrilled about the 250th, and most of the celebration I saw seemed forced and awkward. Nobody is thrilled about MAGA America these days.

          I live in a major tourist city, and own a business that tangentially relies on tourists, and even I’m telling foreigners to stay away. If I were from another country, especially if I looked anything other than pure Caucasian, you couldn’t pay me to visit America right now.

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        True but the only reason Canada didn’t go with the exact same choice with Poilievre was we elected Trump and Canada panicked and U-turned politically so right back at you Canada, you should be thanking the US for providing a stark enough warning to Canada not to elect Poilievre.

        Y’all are just as capable of the same bigotry and violence and Carney only increases the explosive nature of fascist blowback coming for Canada domestically by being such a vapid, useless/clueless, technocratic status quo maintaining leader the same way Biden did.

        Is Canada superior in this aspect or did the US just beat Canada in the race to launch off the cliff of fascism?

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          I am definitely worried about this. I’m doing what I can within my social circle to inform people who would vote conservative, and challenging claims/comments made in public and on social media.

          the NDP really needs to get a foothold, because I don’t think (and I hope) people who voted liberal won’t do it again. we don’t need another conservative-in-disguise government

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            Make memes. Nobody cares about information. Make funny shit. Create groups. Fuck them. The left need to get a set of big ol titties and start throwing them around. MAGA has already placed their chess pieces for the next election. Check out all the Facebook groups like the Trans hating bobs burger group or the gay hating star trek group.

            Informing people gently about topics can only happen now by seizing a popular thing then using that group to post about your issues and gain more people. It’ll weigh the algorithms to your cause because it associates popular topics with other things.

            It’s a numbers game, not information. It is a network problem. Not a data problem. Whip out those big leftist tits and let’s get some attention. Fuck the lefty spinster holding us back.

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          Canada is superior. No question. We are just as capable of violence and fascism, true, but the difference is we choose not to go down those roads in the modern age.

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            We need to be careful not to take for granted that the fascism won’t happen. If we take fir granted that the fascists can’t possibly gain power, they will. I think that’s part of how Trump won, people didn’t bother voting cause they took fir granted that he couldn’t win

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            but the difference is we choose not to go down those roads in the modern age.

            Only AFTER the US chose the option Canada was literally just about to pick and Canada changed their mind at the last second.

            Fuck the US but don’t act like Canada’s shit smells any better, it will lead Canada to ruin to believe that.

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              Again Pierre Poilievre did not ever breach past 50% in vote share.

              Stop acting high and mighty Americans.

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              You want a thank-you card for being so noble in addition to always being exceptional? If you need any more emotional support, just let a Canadian know.

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                No, fuck the US I am making this point to highlight how vulnerable Canada is to the same fascist collapse especially with Carney in charge who is just as damning for the resistance against fascism as Biden was.

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              You can look at it that way, out you can look at it like this: Canada recognized that it could go down that path and so one of our political parties presented a solution so we didn’t have to.

              Our former PM chose to resign as he understood he was so disliked that our conservatives would win. When has an American politician put aside their personal aspirations for the good of their country?

              Still sure out shit smells as bad as yours?

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                Canada would have made precisely the same choice of stepping on a rake and slamming themselves in the face with stupid conservative politics if the US hadn’t done it first and demonstrated how dumb of a choice it is.

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                  Pierre Poilievre only got 41% of the vote in the 2025 federal election. The reality does not match your personal narrative.

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            Yeah we’ll see about that. With the rise of white supremacist neo-nazi groups in Canada and white nationalism in general, I think Canada is just as capable to choose that road as any other country.

            We’re not special.

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              It’s not on the rise as it’s always been around. The members are just bolder and louder now, and I’ll wager that’s a result of the proliferation of racist ICE arrests they see south of the border. These people still have no power and are still impotent at best.

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          the only reason Canada didn’t go with the exact same choice with Poilievre was we elected Trump and Canada panicked and U-turned politically so right back at you Canada, you should be thanking the US for providing a stark enough warning to Canada not to elect Poilievre.

          Nope, most Canadians do not support scumbag Pierre Poilievre. Majority seats do not equal majority support in vote share, first-past-the-post distorts reality.

          Canadians are more complex than our government.

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            Canadians are more complex than our government.

            The same goes for the US

            How about you back up your claims with data and sources like I did?

            A neoliberal sense that “oh we are above that here” places Canada in existential danger.

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              Honestly, if it actual voters mattered and the number of soldiers and what individuals could do mattered, Canada could just easily accept defectors from the US. No American is going to raise arms against neighbors to the North. Every other American would hate that person.

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          you should be thanking the US for providing a stark enough warning to Canada not to elect Poilievre.

          Yeah… your government said something similar to Zelenskyy so forgive me if I find that a laughable if not downright stupid notion. While it’s true that Trump’s second election had an important role in enabling the Liberal party to maintain their majority, to even suggest that it was the sole reason is just insulting.

          The US has nothing to do with the actual function of the Canadian election process, that being citizens voting of their own will. Included with that is the fact that the Liberals also wouldn’t have won if the election process hadn’t been started in the first place, as you literally quoted, by Trudeau resigning independently of any US-caused factors. There’s nothing to thank any of you for, especially with the way things are with your hellscape of a country and how it’s treating us. You can infer where to shove it.

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            Been yelling from the rooftops that if Canada isn’t careful it will slide into the same political trap, I mean the liberals we got are at best center right on average but Pollivre would be much MUCH worse so it’s the choice we have

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          That graph is really interesting. What I see is all the NDP voters abandoning its party to vote Liberal, and a portion of Conservative voters doing the same.

          I’ve said it before, I think NDP voters should have stuck with NDP til the end. Would could have had a minority government with a strong NDP influence like we had under Trudeau. Even of the Conservatives were the leaders of the parliament, they wouldn’t have been able to do anything without making important deals with the Liberals and NDP.

          I mean the NDP were able to get some good stuff across like free dental care, pharamacare, etc. The liberals took credit for it, but it was all NDP.

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        We are too fucking close to falling in the same hole. We’ve been importing US politics on a 5-10 year delay for 60 years, and I hope the nightmare below the 49th finally makes enough of us choose a different path.

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        Imagine being okay with imperial, executions and not having universal healthcare.

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      I haven’t bothered renewing my passport for a couple years now

      I’m not traveling to the US for work - too risky.
      I’m not traveling to the US for fun - fuck the US (and too risky).
      I haven’t got the money to go overseas.

      there’s plenty of Canada to see

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      I’ve mostly been around the western half of the country, but even with that limitation there is a lot to see. We are really blessed with natural beauty.

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        And apparently Americans were upset at you for spending all that money down there, considering all the threats and general douchebaggery you’ve had coming your way recently.

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        Surprisingly, that was not the conclusion of the data.

        According to the article, the decrease in spending on American tourism was equal to the increase in spending on other international tourism. I thought we were “Elbows Up” traveling more in Canada, but apparently not?

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    No problems, we’ll just make it up with high tariffs consumers pay, that get refunded to businesses with tax money consumers pay.

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      Sure. There’s plenty of industry in the US built on Canadian tourism being a consistent population at different times of the year. Operationally, that loss is the cost of the US alienating the Canadian populace.

      I’m sure there’s more literal costs associated with various attractions, but I believe this is more the “cost as consequence” rather than “cost of business”

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    … after trade tensions, tariffs and President Trump’s repeated “51st state” comments led many Canadians to vacation elsewhere.

    How is it that articles are still failing to mention ICE secret police snatching people off the streets as a reason why Canadians are avoiding crossing the border? Am I alone in considering arbitrary, indefinite imprisonment in inhumane conditions as something worth avoiding?