[orange, proud]
I’m willing to pay more for products MADE IN THE USA because I’m a based patriot who wants to SUPPORT REAL AMERICANS

[green, accusatory]
OK then how about supporting american workers by paying them a living wage?

[orange, dismissively shaking their hands while having a look of absolute disgust on their face]
NO

[the comic is squished into a funneling triangle shape for some reason]

https://thebad.website/comic/america_first

        • NostraDavid@programming.dev
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          2 months ago

          The American ethnicity is pretty much the European ethnicities supplanted onto “American” grounds - Trying to integrate the Native American tribes into that ethnicity feels like tribe-erasure to me. They are separate ethnicities - heck, I’m not even sure if “the American ethnicity” is really a single ethnicity.

    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Funny how American = European American, whereas everyone else needs a prefix in front of them.

      It should be American = Native American, and everyone else should keep the prefix.

      • uenticx@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        “America” was a European invention (Vespucci). The Native Americans didn’t think of it as one unified land mass.

        Native American is quite proper, you’re trying to add some racism here where there is clearly not. We refer to American as anyone who lives here, not just European Americans? Where the fuck do you get your information? lol

        • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          It’s a bit preachy I’ll admit, but it’s a eurocentric view I’m getting at. The news all the time says African American, Asian American bla bla, they never say European American when describing someone white. And whether or not it’s racist i’d still rather a classification be consistent.

        • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          There is currently an active racist movement to dehumanize Americans because of a dislike of the nations own choosen name. It’s seen very noticeably with the push for “USian” here on lemmy.

          Americans choose to be called Americans. The name of a country and what it wishes to be called should be respected. We all live here we all have a stake in the betterment of the land. The native peoples are just that. The natives, but they arnt the only ones who have claim to the land at this point. Even then the natives migrated here ages ago, no different than the Spanish and Europeans did.

          The only difference is people have found an excuse to belittle and attack the European descendents because of current political circumstances.

          The native people are mistreated and attacked by our government yes. But that does not change that for now hundreds of years there are generations of people who do give back to the land. Those who respect it, and try to better it. These people are not native to this land but have made it their home.

          It does not matter your ancestors origins, for you are the ancestors to the next generation. You have the power to show respect to show love and kindness. And to make a new home. We are all foreign till we settle down.

          Americans are Americans. Those who have been here for thousands or those for hundreds. The only ones who should be cast as others are those who destroy the land and it’s people ruining it for the next generation willfully.

    • MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
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      2 months ago

      You mean like the blog/“study” quoted by another here to support the notion that USians won’t actually pay more for local products? The one rigged, run and published by capitalists to justify off-shoring production?

      Someone here is indeed quoting those capitalists, and its not the top-left stick-figure.

  • baller_w@lemmy.zip
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    2 months ago

    Certain companies have tried this in a heads-up fashion: offer both the USA made option and one made overseas. The catch is the one made in the USA is 3x more expensive.

    0% of people bought the USA-made one.

    Source

    • MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de
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      2 months ago

      The few Made In America products with a 200% premium over the overseas competition I am aware of are not short on customers.

      Of the many, many, many, “66% off from the factory” overseas products out there, almost none reach American retail shelves without a markup that gets them with 25% of the price of their “locally”-produced counterparts.

      Your “certain companies” set-up those consumers to fail, in order to convince share-holders that their brands wouldn’t suffer from off-shoring production.

      You should try being more selective with your sources.

      • baller_w@lemmy.zip
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        2 months ago

        I think you’re missing my point. It’s not that “people don’t buy American, even though it’s more expensive.” I’m saying that when done in a heads-up way, Americans will nearly unanimously choose the lower cost option instead of buying American; not because it’s American, but because it’s cheaper. Out of the examples of Redwing boots and Lodge cookware, how much cheap, disposable trash is purchased instead of the highly durable, more expensive goods?

        I understand this is “hand-wavy” and I do not intend it with snark: my sources are literally every big-box and online retailer inventory sheet in the US, especially at America’s largest retailers; Walmart and Amazon to name a few.

        Also, I would say that companies in nearly all cases benefit financially by offshoring of production. Their sales may take a short term hit, but any decrease in sales is vastly outweighed by hysterically larger profit margins.

        My point is that cost is the driver, not moral stance. I’m also not judging. Looking at the average income in the US vs GDP, it’s entirely understandable behavior.

        I also don’t want to piss you off, but you seem upset. Is it fair to say that you prefer to buy American? If so, good for you. We should pay all workers what they’re worth, Americans included. This comment is on a cartoon, brother. I’m just saying “yes, and…”

        • Kairos@lemmy.today
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          2 months ago

          Bro it’s literally presented as the same fucking product why would anyone pay $100 more for the same fucking product??

    • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      One challenge is that the lifestyle that people have come to expect is only affordable by outsourcing production to other countries for slave labour prices.

      People want 7 pairs of running shoes, to own every kitchen and garage gadget possible, and to buy little items as pick-me-ups every few weeks. There would be an outcry at children picking our food for 3 cents a day or indentured servants making our clothes if it were visible, but these services are shipped far enough away that most people can just smile and enjoy their new $30 shoes without seeing the abuse. And if you tell them about it, they say they are poor too, which is the equivalent of covering your ears and screaming “la la la la la” to avoid processing it.

  • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I loved it when “smarter every day” decided to make a stand and try to build a grill brush, sourced in the US from all US parts, he couldn’t get some of the trivial parts from known US sources and it was still all over $100

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I miss something? I don’t watch all his stuff, but I haven’t seen him be too horrible, aside from the occasional cluelessness.

        • 87Six@lemmy.zip
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          2 months ago

          Yea he’s a bit off…though I haven’t watched him in years and so I couldn’t tell you something accurate about the current him.

          Basically the same sort of thing happened to him as to Veritasium, but in a different way.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Yeah, the whole video was a bit strange. Interestingly, telling about the US’s current fabrication capabilities. Just about all manufacturing in the US is now pretty dependent upon China, which in itself isn’t a problem, but for a country where a large chunk of the population thinks they can just homestead without fabrication, it’s a wakeup call.

  • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I would like things made by local craftsman.

    Made in USA has a markup for the cost of labor. But that’s kind of alright by me (when I can afford it) because we should pay people living wages. However, so many companies use “made in USA” as the sole reason to add even MORE markup beyond the additional costs for manufacturing.

    I like made locally also because it means let’s transport costs and hopefully lower emissions in what it takes to deliver it to market.

    I have a hard time understanding why certain companies should be allowed to be multinational conglomerates. Certain markets probably should have hard caps to the size companies can reach.

    • CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I agree with your vibe, especially supporting local craftsmen. But buying American a bit more complicated than looking for the “Made in the USA” sticker.

      Some “made in the USA” stuff is prison labor. These companies are profiting off of prisoners. It’s better than slave/child labor overseas but it sucks all around.

      Another aspect is that politics around the “Made in the USA” are merky. Final assembly can occur here in the US but it doesn’t mean that it was “made” here.

      I went into a deep dive a few years back and found that because of various loopholes, American branded cars are often made in Mexico and then “finished” in the US whereas most foreign brands are assembled in the US.

      All of this to say: until we escape late stage capitalism, it’s hard to know for sure how to best support Americans.

      • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Which is why I don’t look for made in USA. I look for small local companies. I also refuse to support those small local companies if they are super patriotic. I hate how they’ve co-opted nationalism for advertising. Plus, it usually means they’re maga skid stains and I don’t want to support them.

        A “made in USA” sticker with a flag on it is pretty bargain basement for companies I want to buy from.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Cars sold in America are largely made in a process that involves significant value add in Mexico, the US, and Canada (and it would be very difficult to cut any out of it). Though they often use some components from elsewhere in the world.

        Honestly anything of sufficient complexity made in the USA is probably partly made in Canada, and I’m in favor of that. I’d rather buy something made in OR, WA, and BC than replace Canadian labor with labor from a state with anti worker laws and less basic rights. At least I know Canadians aren’t being leased from a prison to makr products.

  • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Dude everything is so expensive. Food and gas and this and that. I’m getting the cheapest I can. I can’t vote with my wallet if I don’t have one

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Republicans support businesses not workers. The people who own the businesses benefit.

      Why do you think it’s “Republicans” and not “Republicans & Democrats”?

      Kinda silly, really.

      Look around. Union membership is down to under 10% (from over 40%), wages are historically low, our “labor party” abandoned labor many decades ago. The New Deal is now very old and just about dead.

  • yarr@feddit.nlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I’ll do anything for the USA except for things that require me to do work or spend money.

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    What’s really sad is that the only ones who support a living wage en masse are the Greens.

    You’ve got Bernie and Zohran who certainly do, and AOC may. Warren says she does, but it’s bullshit. The people with the power to actually do this are the ones saying no.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      What’s really sad is that the only ones who support a living wage en masse are the Greens.

      Socialist Party has been fighting for higher wages since the 1910s, you make them sad :(

      Greens weren’t a party until the 1970s

  • red_green_black@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Not only will I buy American I will buy from genuine local buissness. It will be much more pricybuyt I view it as a long term investment that I feel will pan out in the long term

    • 87Six@lemmy.zip
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      2 months ago

      As much as I think that’s noble, I doubt that applies to every product you buy. Picking only one category is a bit disingenuous.

      Buying food? Sure. Buying hardware and tools? Sure. Buying clothes? Sure.

      All of the above? I doubt it, man, unless you’re REALLY well off…