• DisasterTransport@startrek.websitedeleted by creator
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        3 months ago

        You cannot build a policy in such a way that population halving is distributed equitably unless you run a global forced sterilization lottery. Which has its own ethical problems. Maybe we could, idk, all agree to eat beef twice a month instead of every day and stop throwing shit fits over renewables and nuclear before economics and water scarcity makes fossil fuel plants impossible to support. Just a thought.

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        3 months ago

        What they are describing is a natural reduction in population that occurs automatically when countries become more economically developed. Trying to steer this is gonna have downstream impacts. You are not going to roll out these reforms everywhere all at once, so where are you going to start? Because if democracy and a global economy are still going to exist in 2200, relative population sizes matter. If, say, India develops their rural regions, does a 180 on feminism, and halves their population in the process, but Pakistan doesn’t, that’s going to have geopolitical ramifications, and not good ones. This kind of thinking scares me, no matter what the framing is. People are good, and we can have more of them, and we should have more of them. We just need to be smarter about how we use our resources.

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        3 months ago

        The article suggest halving the global population by 2200. So not some nuclear war or disease killing half of humans basically over night. So more Japan and less nuclear war.

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              3 months ago

              I’m not defending them. They are horrible and should be guillotined.

              But it’s disingenuous to think that reducing our population by half wouldn’t have a greater impact.

              Feel free to provide sources to prove me wrong.

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        3 months ago

        Richest one percent are responsible for same level of climate warming as the 5 billion poorest people so yeah it would.

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          3 months ago

          Right, but we’re not talking about the poorest half here.

          Population is declining in Japan, Korea, Europe and North America. That’s not the poorest half by a long shot.

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    3 months ago

    Whats funny is that is about the population where if we did everything perfectly and the earth was not so stressed would be possibly sustainable. Assumine we want to live a modern type experience. We have so damaged the world since then though and even before and we obviously are not looking to do things in the most sustainable manner possible. So like we would need to go way below that for centuries for the earth to recover to its sorta healthiest state. What really cracks me up is people will be like. We produce more food than ever and we could have a much more massive population. Its like yeah if you don’t care about sustainability and the future.

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    3 months ago

    Halving the population would definitely help, but some country populations have a lot lower impact than others.

    The real problem is the consumerism mentality, where we need to buy even bigger cars, TVs, houses, clothes, etc.

    This is what destroys our planet. And even if the population halves, this trend can negate much of the effect.

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      3 months ago

      I believe this is a very valid concern. They need the workers in pursuit of growth.

      Also, I think it’s no coincidence that women’s rights are being revoked.

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    Isn’t climate change going to take care of this for us? Parts of the planet are becoming uninhabitable, food crops are failing, fish stocks are on the verge of collapse… We are going to struggle to feed 10 billion people unless things drastically change!

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      3 months ago

      Historically when people are desperate , die younger, they responded by having more children

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        Historically, that might be true, but that is because historically it made sense to have more children in order to eventually gather more food or earn more money. Birth rates are dropping all over the place. Even in countries like India with traditionally very high birth rates. We are entering into a post-ubundance world, resources like food and clean water are becoming increasingly scarce and increasingly expensive. It makes no sense having babies if you’re not sure you’re going to be able to feed them.

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        3 months ago

        Historically, when birds struggle to find food they kick eggs out of their nests. Historically, when guinea pigs struggle to find food they eat their young.

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    3 months ago

    Study shows it’s actually the massive corporate conglomerates that do exponentially more damage to the Earth than the entire animal kingdom combined, humans included.

    Reduce your carbon footprint is a Big Oil created PR campaign. It places the “climate crisis” blame on the individual consumer.

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    3 months ago

    …we really needed a study to conclude that lol I thought that was just common sense.

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    3 months ago

    Meanwhile, in my country, the US government gives tax credits for children. No kids? No tax credits.