It would help if they publicly said they will remove him and his criminals from the government. I don’t wanna hear anything about it being a time for healing and reaching across the isle.
I admire your optimism.
Democrats are complicit. They have no motivation for the bulk of the citizenry to win.
establishment Dems, sure. but there are insurgent leftists winning national primaries all over the country.
My only concern is the money musk is pushing for the right. Money equals votes and always has, the dnc refuses to help anyone not establishment. I hope the money won’t matter, but I think it will.
We’ve seen quite a few time that Musk has ended up spoiling votes. Because he did quite a good job tanking his own rep with the DOGE BS last yeast.
Money can’t trump voters when voters are paying attention.
Im hopeful but the show aint over til the lady sings in November and we have a fascist wannabe dictator in office who can convince people to be violent.
Many of these leftists are soc dems who just want nicer capitalism unfortunately
yes, It cant possibly be the DNC centrists fault, who have been in charge forever. Its dem socialists who are to blame. Why did Omar and AOC do this to all of us?
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I mean I’ll take nicer capitalism over fascism
anarchist praxis is a lot easier under nice capitalism than it is under fascism
Fucking thank you. For the left, we are voting for our opposition. Either party will fight us but the democrats at least will kinda listen at least some and can be influenced. The fascist wouldn’t even give lip service and in fact will create laws to jail the left and crack down on it even more.
Democrats will likely win but then they’ll remember who holds their purse and the billionaire Epstein-class will tighten their grip on us plebs even more.
It really is mind-melting to see how liberals respond to the Clintons relative to Trump.
What, voting for them and then ragging on them non-stop for stupid shit like ending welfare and supporting Iraq II: Nookyoular Boogaloo?
You know he ran against Bush the I and Bob Dole, right. And she ran against the demented rapist crook.
Seems pretty straightforward really. Unless you meant the Australian Liberals, then, probably, yeah.
Yeah yeah, primaries, Bernie, DNC, i got ya. But look - on voting day a competent liberal is better than an incompetent rapist sycophant, n’est-ce pas?
You know he ran against Bush the I and Bob Dole, right.
Then worked hand-in-glove with Phil Graham and Larry Pressler to dismantle the US regulatory state, sure.
And she ran against the demented rapist crook.
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
But look - on voting day a competent liberal is better than an incompetent rapist sycophant, n’est-ce pas?
First show me some of the former. A congo line of Andrew Cuomos and Gavin Newsoms and Gretchen Whitmires and Bob Menendezes and Michael Flynns have not been kind to the liberal party over the last generation.
How many Democrats spent a decade sucking up to Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg for a bucket of money, back in the Obama Era? How many worked hand-in-glove with Amazon and Boeing and Palantir, in the name of economic growth? How many sat on the board of Walmart and Goldman Sachs and Ford Motor Company, while pretending a liberal populism?
At some point, you have to take the blinders off.
Both Clintons were extremely competent and did good things.
Yeah Clinton was freaked out by Fox News’ takeover of the Chud-Americans and Congresses full of Klansmen and yes he got seekrit blowjobs and liiiiiiiieeeed about it which affected his plans but championships are a crapshoot, you get what you get.
Do we need to scrape up some “what good did clinton do” to make that case? I’m sure people who weren’t alive or whelped then may need some additional context in the lefty hole here.
I hate these accounts that pretend both parties are the same and strategically forget that when the republicans got power they stacked all the courts they could leading to this point.
If Clinton had won over Trump the world would be a better place just like if Harris had won over Trump too.
Only if people don’t vote in primaries…
That’s the part I never understand, all these fucking accounts saying it’s not worth fighting before the general, complete fucking silent during the last primary, and won’t dona damn thing before the next one in two years
If shits half as bad as you all say it is:
Go fucking volunteer with your state party and make it better.
Sitting online telling anyone with a D by their name is the same is the shit Republicans and Russians pay people money to do; don’t do it for free.
I’ve been voting in primaries since the year 2000. When will it start to work?
When there’s enough people doing similar.
It’s almost as if you don’t count at all unless you vote. Amazing really.
If there are that many unhappy people then a difference actually could be made. Assuming they do anything.
Oh so it’s never gonna work. Gotcha.
It’s starting to work now. DSA is winning primaries all over the place.
It took the French hundreds of years and multiple revolutions to overcome their nobility. 25 years is not that long in the wide view of things. Especially when you want to achieve change peacefully, which we should.
What a stupid world.
Part of the problem is the DNC rigging past primaries against exactly the sort of change people want. But this time will the DNC pinky swear to run a clean and fair primary?
This isn’t nationals. There’s too many races here (every House seat and 33 Senate seats) for them to fight every progressive candidate. That’s why you occasionally see them give up and endorse a few progressives here and there.
Also, most of their work is done in the primaries. They tend to just accept the D candidate once that is done and over with. That’s what happened with Mamdmi. Mostly because that’s honestly more important than the real election, and also because they kind of have to to keep the ruse up.
No. The last chance was 2024. They lost. That was the last fair election. There is no way that the fascists have come this far and gained total control only to give it up because of an election.
There’s one way to defeat them and everyone knows what it is
Bend over, drop trou, spread them cheeks, and shout, “you are defeated!”
“a landslide defeat for President Donald Trump in November’s midterm elections is exactly what is required if the country is to start reversing his deliberate and rapid erosion of its democracy”
that… seems unlikely to me. I mean, he’s not popular, but his approval ratings aren’t significantly worse than the last time he was president.
Polling show that Dems are unenthusiastic about voting in general lately.
That means the propaganda is working.
If I understand your comment, you are framing this as republicans looking to split the dems using propoganda. I think its much more complicated than that. It’s a fact that traditional Dem voters are far past focussing solely on republicans as the root of all of our problems. Dems and republicans have 26-27% of the voter registrations each and independents are 45%. You can only eff Dem voters in the rear and ignore their problems so many times (while committing a massively unpopular genocide for donations) before Dem voters stop considering their party as representing them-- and they’ll sit on the couch when they do.
Its convenient for people to pretend its a dem vs republican fight, but its really dem vs republicans vs couch. Couch is doing really well lately. People are sick of Trump’s idiocy and also sick of the DNC’s incompetence, self interest, and outright treachery. There is no democracy here until we make it happen.
- They are pretty bad. The scarier thing is how partisan the approval is. It’s been something like 80% approval among republicans and that may have only very recently slipped into the 70’s
- Yes, the last time it happened. 2018 happened (when he still had adults in the room to limit his crazier plans), the House was taken back, and he was impeached the first time over tariffs. Not convicted by Senate of course, but it at least sent a message
If we can slip both house and senate this time, the worst case will hopefully be to obstruct all his BS for 2 more years and leave him a lame duck. If we assume Novemeber goes smoothly (it won’t, but how bad it gets will depend on so many factors).
70s from within your own party, especially Republicans, is pretty freaking bad. He wasn’t impeached over tariffs in 2018.
He wasn’t impeached over tariffs in 2018.
well, my info was horribly wrong. I thought I might have confused one of the failed attempts at impeachment from the first term, but it wasn’t that either.
70s from within your own party, especially Republicans, is pretty freaking bad.
Bad for these hyerpartisans times, yes. But this wasn’t the norm, even as far back as 15 years ago.
But it’s part of why GOP congress is still spineless. A lot of their constituents still think Trump is doing a “good job”. Or at least that’s what they say out loud.
This comm got so weird when the ml’s started camping next to the spawn points.
I’m reading this comment section and shaking my head.
I mean, Democrats deserve a lot of crap, and I have and will continue to give them crap, but we’re in primary season. I seriously don’t get the nihilism and defeatism about a primary. If you want any option in the general, now’s your time to vote for who you actually want the most.
How did NYC get Mamdani? Was it burning our vote or discouraging people from voting because the establishment Dems and billionaires wanted freaking Cuomo, and woe is us because the fix is in? No, it was taking a stand and believing that you can make it happen.
We’ll have different debates in the general since I’m sure progressives won’t win every primary. But right now is the time to send Santa your wish list and stop dooming.
The LemmyLeft can’t compromise. Violent revolution where workers throw off the chains of their oppressors and remake all financial systems overnight or nothing at all.
No they’re not russian bots whatever would give you that idea.
If you didn’t experience Boing Boing’s descent in ridiculously cartoonish hyper-partisan more-leftist-than-thou purity testing and virtual struggle sessions/Oppression Olympics before they took the comments behind a paywall (! lol. rotflmao, even), it was really quite something. I’m sure that kind of thing has been repeated elsewhere, but this was quite public.
You can still see the old comments, by the way. I would try to find some older thread that perfectly demonstrates this absurd “leftist” circle jerk/circular firing squad, but since they tended to excise anything that made them look stupid (quite easy by the way), one would have to a lot of reading between the lines about what happened after their Stalin squad got done with things.
At least here, there is not an insane cadre of mods and prominent commenters running the place like a Mean Girls spinoff…here, I tend to block the moronic people that want to play the terminally online communist armchair theorists. I went to college; I had my fill of their utopian boring bullshit back then and don’t need lectures from them on how to do leftism properly now, either.
Yeah, I really don’t understand.
I’m pretty left from an ideological perspective - universal free healthcare, state-owned or funded basic necessities, food and safety nets, guaranteed worker protections, eliminate billionaires and restore sane worker wages through sane tax and maximum employee/ceo pay multipliers, public-funded childcare services, free or nearly-entirely state-funded tuition through at least college. That cost is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on war and pork barrel. And the way you get there is by taking steps toward it to eventually get there.
If one’s position is all-or-nothing or that democrats are ineffectual so they’re equally bad and therefore we must oppose both, that’s basically saying to move from point A to point B, we must teleport rather than walk or drive or take the train. That ensures we never get there… because that metaphorical teleportation is fiction, and no, setting the world on fire doesn’t magically create incentives or conditions that in any way help discover teleportation.
Yep, very well said.
I think we can all remember being in our late teens/early 20s and expecting everything to change now, because something something “my generation” and because now I can vote, and politicians better pay attention to the young people, etc., but then most of us tend to grow out of this position.
Unfortunately there is a certain type that definitely does zero self-reflection, has no pragmatism or awareness of how the real world works, etc. and stubbornly sticks to this myopic (and frankly, rather selfish) viewpoint, and even worse, try to encourage others to either be apathetic or throw away their votes.
We still seem to have a lot of “both sides are the same” mentality here, as if there aren’t shades of evil out there.
People who still think that after the past 19 months are either complicit with the destruction, severely uninformed (or lacking real perspective), or are letting perfect be the enemy of good. We can critisize (and we should) the DNC while also realizinig their vote is the quicket way to stop the further slide into fascism. If we can find a progressive or DSA or whatnot, even better. But not all races will have those.
Bothsiderism will be the death of civilization. Unfortunately, the corporate media has done a lot to build this and to continue to prop it up. There is a lot of money behind the effort to get people to check out.
“Flood the zone” they say. With a mix of “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”
What? There’s one ml comment in the entire thread, three majority are from .world
They’re all over all the threads
What exactly have the Democrats done to inspire any confidence?
Not be nazis. The bar is tragically low
Yeah but they’ve consistently supported Nazis abroad and done pretty much nothing to curb fascism at home. I guess they’re not technically Nazis but that’s like Nazi adjacent.
You may be forgetting that Biden sponsored the start of the genocide. Tens of thousand were murdered through his support. Its painful to hear and I’d love to just blame it on the republicans, but aipac utterly owns both parties and pretending that isnt so just keeps us trapped in this forever.
Yeah, I’m not defending the democrats. I’m just saying the reason they have support is they’re perceived as not as bad as the nazis and it’s really fucking tragic that America is at that point where all a party has to do to get support is be perceived as the only viable alternative to literal nazis.
Preselect a few socialists? (Not much)
Who most of them aren’t socialist in that they don’t do the basics of supporting workers control of the means of production?
They say they feel bad after seeing a dude get beaten to death on the way back from work. Their opponent would laugh instead, or would be conducting the beating.
Nothing at all, but the progressives, the Democratic socialists, and the greens and everyone else who is fighting tooth and nail in the trenches against the far right extremists and chuds are giving it their all
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Nah, let’s make sure the progressives and democratic socialists take over the Democratic Party
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That’s wrong, you need to coopt the dems until they are a progressive party. Same as how MAGA turned the reps into an absolutely insane party.
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And despite all of this, you somehow belief that starting a third party is a viable option?
take over them dems (long shot, been tried many many times) or start a new party. Lets try both. The republicans are a lost cause though, and we’re clearly short on time.
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You bring up Zohran Mamdani. You do realize he won by first running in the democratic primary, instead of running third party? That they did do their worst to stop him, and he still succeeded rather decisively? You do realize, that if Mamdani had run third party instead, New York would have a republican Mayor now?
Yes, there’s a surprising amount of Rep voters who hates billionaires as much as the rest of us do, but Dems aren’t truly working for the people either.
There’s different ideologies among the parties, but both of them are anti peasants, pro elite.
Stuff like universal healthcare, free schools and proper psych wards are incredibly supported policies among voters of both parties. “European style” social welfare with a charismatic leader would get 60% of the votes in the US
Why do all of the posters making these “let’s start a third party” suggestion have accounts less than a month old?
(Admittably, I’ve only encountered 2 of you so far, but still, what are the odds?)
something something vanguard
Aside from excellent trending in rights, the economy, safety, education, and jobs, compared to the only alternative, well, nothing at all.
Not voting. Letting this dumpster fire the maga set just go on instead. Maybe 50+ years of horrible living will fix it in the long run. If it was fixed tomorrow then they will keep doing this stunt every 4 years with the excuse that no civil war or nazi camps happened. I want it to happen to prove a point now. Fuck my country so hard.
Maybe 50+ years of horrible living will fix it in the long run.
Just ask North Korea, EZ.
I hope this is just temporary nihilism. If you’re serious, this might be the most pathetic thing I’ve read in weeks.
Congrats, youre a Nazi collaborator.
Lets give the DNC football to Lucy. This is for the game, folks. It’s all up to Charlie Browns kick.
“Democrats have one chance” …so we’re fucked.
Don’t forget to vote BLUE no matter WHO! UNLESS the Blue PROMISES to make your Life BETTER then DONT VOTE AT ALL!
-Democrat Leadership!
Democrat Leadership? This sounds more like the lemmy mantra.
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Is that the flag of israel with a rainbow on both sides ?
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Alright ! I don’t know what wojak is, will look up. sounds like a canadian wild beast heheh
Gay Isreal flag = Hamas hates gays (but so does Isreal)
Cheetah = Trump
Teddy bear in China = Winnie the Pooh comparisons to Xi is banned in China
Oh look it’s this headline again. Just like every election in my entire life.
Yeah totally, everything going on right now is the same as it’s always been, very astute observation.
Well yes, but also the current corruption level is way more public and way more massive than I can remember in my many years on this space rock.
Every election has been the most important one ever, with Democrats winning the only way to save literally the entire world.
Maybe they shouldn’t have been so melodramatic in the past.
Your mistake was assuming the world ending meant everyone would die.
What it really meant was the ending of your ability to control your own destiny, and we are in fact in the latter stages of the closing of that noose, no matter how much the “we’ll just grow a community garden in our commune” people like to delude themselves that the system will let them go.
Well at least it’s finally happening so I won’t have to care about politics anymore.
Voters do. Democrats don’t. This is a voter issue at this point and framing it like a political party is gonna come save you is why people are apathetic.
the democratic party will actively try to eff us over like they always do. We have to hold them accountable for their actions or we may as well just let AIPAC openly run the party.
