Baby boomers comprised a larger share of voters in 2024, accounting for 32%, but they are trending lower after hitting a peak of 36% in 2016.

Ocasio-Cortez, a millennial herself, expects the younger generation will soon tip the scales in American politics.

“Millennials are not punk kids anymore. We’re grown adults with mortgages and kids,” she said. “And we—that generation is starting to be decisive at the polls. And there is anger at being ignored, sidelined, having our economic futures mortgaged by the generations that came before us on everything from the economy to climate. And we’re taking the reins.”

From global warming to debt crisis to lack of affordable health insurance (all intentional), Boomers have definitely overstayed their welcome.

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      lucky
      mortgages

      eh, depends how lucky but yeah.

      kids

      i consider myself lucky not to have them, but i get everyone has different preferences.

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    It’s so funny to see Americans be like “boomers need to go because of insurance and capitalism”

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      Because boomers fight to keep those things in place and vote for the people who will ensure those things stay in place. You can’t deal with the issue if the people voting are voting for those that will protect the status quo instead of change it.

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    In 1960, minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the price of the average US home was $11,000.00

    A Boomer could graduate high school and be living in their own place with no roommates with money they’d earned delivering newspapers.

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      And depending on their area, that house may sell for a million+ now to millenials who have no other option if they want to live the classic american white picket fence dream

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        I think that the US as a country needs to abandon the idea that every family should have a detached house with four bedrooms, two cars, and a lush green front garden surrounded by a picket fence. It’s just not sustainable. That made sense in 1960, but the country’s population has doubled since then.

        On the other hand, I would like to see it possible for every family to be able to at least afford a basic 2-bedroom condominium with all the amenities that modern life has to offer, including walkable spaces, accessible green areas, and reliable public transportation.

        11,000 hours of minimum wage labour in my city would be $185,000. Maybe a bit too low to be entirely realistic, but $200,000 is probably within reach with a bit of elbow grease on the government side.

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          I live in one of Italy’s richest cities, gross wages for millennials may go from 24k€/y to 60k€/y for the luckiest ones. A normal 80m² apartment goes for about 200-400k€.

          It’s not just an American problem, and apparently more efficient housing isn’t enough of a solution.

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          There are a ton of factors but most problems simply stem from greed. Boomers pulling the ladder up behind oneself and then making fun of millenials for having less assets and saying it’s because we’re lazy.

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            I don’t agree that the reason single-family detached homes with lawns are necessarily unaffordable primarily because of greed. That might be one factor, but I think the main factor as to why they’re unaffordable is simple geometry. Councils don’t want to pay for miles of roads, pipes, and electrical cables just to serve less than a hundred families, so these costs get imposed on the developers and homeowners. Some states, including mine, will require new single-family developments to have an HOA, which is responsible for paying for the upkeep of some of these resources. That directly results in higher assessments for ratepayers. Or, where the council absorbs the costs, they still get passed on to owners and renters through higher property taxes.

            So while I’m sympathetic to your arguments, I feel that blaming only greed is a shallow understanding of why nobody can afford a house.

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              This is not a popular observation around these parts, but it’s true. My city has almost no private equity presence in the market, yet we still have a housing affordability crisis. The geometry problem came first, caused here in the U.S. by zoning and building codes; then houses became the biggest source of investment wealth for individuals because of the artificial scarcity those codes created; then private equity smelled money and moved in.

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              “Councils don’t want to pay for miles of roads, pipes, and electrical cables just to serve less than a hundred families”

              Yes, correct, they don’t want to pay for it. We need to allocate more taxpayer money to corporate bailouts.

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                To make my point clearer because you missed it: Councils should NOT be paying for these regardless of whether anything relating to corporate bailouts happens, because detached single-family houses are a poor use of resources and an inefficient and wasteful form of housing.

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          True, but you had to be in a position with money saved up and your career unaffected by the recession so unfortunately that’s a relatively low percentage

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            I mean prices were lower for like 8 years before exploding with low interest rates, time was there to save

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              Sure but the job market was a joke so if you weren’t already established in a stable career, your income was going to be pretty garbage on top of school loans. Realistically, you would be looking at college grads who have enough seniority in their career that wouldn’t put them at risk of being let go as well as having little to no school debt. You’re looking at people who are at least 23, more likely late 20s in 2009ish. That’s certainly right near the '86 cutoff for millenials. I was 18 in 2008, luckily retained my low paying retail job while going through uni, with my school debt and the garbage job market, it wasn’t feasible at all for me to take advantage of the prices.

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                  My younger sister somehow bought a house with her friend. Her first job paid $80k a year. I made $7.25 and hour and this was not an option.

                  Just another, the privledged got to buy, and the poors didnt.

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                  I’m happy for people that were able to do that but you gotta understand you’re probably in the like <10% that could do that. I doubt you would say you were in the same situation as most people born between '86-'96. Gen x was in the best position to take advantage.

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                Wait, when did the cutoff for millennial become 1986? Last I saw it was 1981-1996, with some fuzziness at the edges.

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          They do not give you a loan if you earn nothing because you’re unemployed and you don’t have any capital in the bank.

          There would have been a way for me but not without generational wealth and immediately landing a great job out of college.

          TLDR: if things went great in your life yes you’re right.

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    After reading so many of the comments:

    My god, people! It’s the fucking billionaires, stupid!

    AOC fucked up by mentioning a generational conflict. I thought she knew better. Bernie needs to take her back to school.

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      It’s a bit of both. Who do you think is voting in the interest of the billionaires. Their generational attitude of government bad, taxes bad, corporations good, unions bad combined with their outsized voting power is what brought the last 40 years of Reaganism, which is how we got the complete perversion (figuratively and literally) of the American dream that is Trumpism.

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      Jesus Christ! AOC mentioned millennials are becoming a dominant part of the voter base in this one comment! Even though this is true, she’s an idiot for bringing it up! The million and one times she’s chastised billionaires mean nothing now!

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    This day and age with a growing positive sentiment toward authoritarianism, anti intellectualism, and fascism, I think some punk would be good. A lot of punk, even.

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      ya remember how punk rockers used to smash guitars? so anyway, there’s this company called flock safety…

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      I loved the phrasing in this one.

      Many will read it as:

      We’re not punk kids anymore

      But it should be read as:

      We’re not pink kids anymore

      We are adults. Punk adults.

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        Your typo reminded me of something.

        When I was little, we had a children’s TV personality/character called Grynet. Looking at Wikipedia it says that she was supposed to be a parody of a typical teenager, I was a little young at the time, but she strikes me more as this pink princess punk which as an adult I think is wonderfully inclusive.

        Her tagline was “ta ingen skit!”, roughly “Don’t take any shit (from others)!”

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      Yea I feel this lol. I’ve never put dye in my hair but fuck am I considering it lol. Fuck the system and YES I am 32 who CARES we’re all BURNING

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        I started dying my hair in my late 20s. It was really uncomfortable then because at least in my area it was very uncommon. Now that I’m turning 40, I’m doing it again, and its a lot more common now so its not nearly as uncomfortable (people stare less these days, cuz they care less)

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          Hell yeah! I can’t decide on the colour yet. Also I need like, 80% of my hair off anyway. Cheaper and I haven’t seen a hairdresser in 8 months lol. But my guy is on vacation for another week.

          If I don’t like it I can always just shave it off lol. Benefits of being masc presenting (though nonbinary)

          What colour are you thinking of doing?

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            Maybe the solution is to not limit to one color!

            This time I’m handing the wheel to a friend, since I need someone to bleach for me and that seemed like a good trade, but I’m only brining dyes in the red/pink/blue/purple/turquoise range, I’d be down for a full rainbow, but probably not until its short. Very hard to keep yellow nice during the dye when its waist-length. But I wanna enjoy the long for a bit with color, its fun to braid and looks neat with my hair accessories.

            I tend to use conditioner to cut the color down, so I often end up more in the pastel range. Then sometimes ill do dark streaks in the pastels which looks pretty neat.

            If you hate the color, clarifying shampoo strips it out decently quickly if you are using vegetable dyes. Then you can try it again.

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        I just did, same age as you. I’d never changed my hair color, but the clean look and tradwife fashion and whatever need some stronger counterculture (I was already dressed in black all the time).

        It’s surprisingly easy! You need to be careful with the materials, but other than that, it is doable at home. My hair is dark pink-orangey now. I’m loving it.

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          Currently trads are the counter culture.

          “Counter Culture” people have been the norm since the late 70s. But people LOVE thinking of themselves as the underdog.

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            Same as some demagogue crying for 10 years he is being canceled. He has 25 million viewers. Shit is mainstreamed and some people didn’t hear the shot.

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                Fill in your favorite, right wing influencer that is being supposedly suppressed up to millions viewers and look how mainstream these views became.

                If you ask them they are the underdog.

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            I’ve heard that and, more importantly, I believe that’s the feeling behind many young people now leaning conservative.

            I guess it depends on how we define “counterculture”. Is it only to be defiant of something currently in existence? Does this defiance need to be against a majority (and how big may be another question)? Or, as the other user implied, counterculture means to go against not the trends but against the ideas and norms of people and institutions not only in power but also with powers?

            I’ll try to explain myself. If it is going “against”, I guess it all can become counterculture depending on the angle. Tradwives are countercultural from a goth perspective (I guess that’s mine); goth is countercultural from the tradwife’s perspective. But that’s not very useful and I’m sure it would be if no use to have this word meaning simply this.

            So… Maybe it means to go against something bigger. But what is big? The number of people? The power? (E.g. Elon Musk is only one guy, but he has a lot of influence and therefore power). The acceptable moralities? The traditions? The norms, laws, rules?

            And notice how different groups may occupy different aspects I mentioned. Leftists are a majority in some places (Lemmy, California, maybe Berlin). But even in those places, power is with the billionaires and other elite groups (which are often not leftists). The acceptable morality in those places is centrist, leftist (gay rights and things like that). Traditions, though, can be very mixed with rainbow parades and churches existing together. Well, the equivalent here on Lemmy. Norms, laws, rules are also mixed, but as the user said, they lean right in places like work, banks, parks, schools, etc.

            So… if I go against the billionaires, their far-right legions, am I going against power and against laws and norms and may I get in trouble? Yes. In other words, I’m going against a culture.

            Are conservatives going against a culture when they rebel against some governments and their progressive laws, against an accepted morality, etc.? I guess so.

            But we are back at the relative perspective, just with extra steps, with words like “power” and “influence” involved. “Countercultural”, if it’s not relative, then implies that there is ONE dominant culture. But if, as we saw with California and maybe Berlin and such places, there is always a mixed bag, what is that mysterious dominant culture?

            An answer we could give is that the dominant culture is that which would get into power, into everything, if other groups didn’t resist against it. Ideologically, this mental experiment leaves us the same. All the ideas are clashing and, without a clash, they would expand. They’re ideas! But materially, this changes. If we consider how we get to see billboards with messages, books printed in a book store, work laws, etc. Money is key. We don’t live only in a world of ideas (I wish), we live in the real world with money, transactions, etc. If we’d let the world just run… Well, money is held by people that don’t want to let go of that money. Money then would be expended in the ideas that favor that state of things (status quo). Money would pay for governments that taxed the rich a little bit less; money would pay for a little bit of segregation if possible, because poor people tend to be undesirable in some contexts; money would pay for the rights and preferences of the people with that money, it’s natural. And the thing is that, without resistance, well, poor people’s opinions and preferences would be overshadowed. I guess sometimes it is like this. At least in my country, we had periods like this.

            So, to me, it seems that the dominant culture is the one that would default to dominance by the material conditions. Ideologically, I guess we’ll always feel in many different ways, we’ll be diverse. But which books are published and how many hours the workers work is a matter of who has the power to ultimately decide. In this system we are living in, the rich and powerful have this ultimate decision. Intellectuals and workers and other groups need to resist and fight and debate their ways in this system. From climate change to four days of work instead of five (which ironically it doesn’t even reduces money for the rich, but they were afraid it did), it all has to be fought. I see here the counterculture; I see there the dominant culture.

            Edit: By extension, things that favor the rich-elite I see as dominant culture; things that serve the masses and the dissident groups, I see as counterculture, even if at some periods of time or places they’re winning or they’re a lot (like California or Berlin again, haha).

            The end of my opinion. Sorry you had to read this much. I know I may not change your mind, don’t worry, but I think it is important to keep our sense of integration; I mean, that we do not reject our fellow human beings right away because of these differences. You’re here talking to me and it’s only fair that I share with you my current views and feelings.

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              The TL;DR is you see what you see as counter culter, I see what I see as counter culture.

              Again - we love to think of ourselves as exceptions/not like others. It feels nice and it is nice when others notice our uniqueness.

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        Is that the message being communicated by the colored hair I’ve been seeing lately? If so, that’s awesome. It flew right over my head.

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    Regardless of who you vote for, put some effort into thinking about your choices. If you vote for a DSA candidate be aware that their platform includes open borders and public control of large corporations. Read about what happened in the past when those ideas were implemented. I think we’re already pretty aware of what happens when the opposite end of the spectrum is manifest.

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    I’m Xillenial. There is NO part of my life that has not been dominated by boomers. Even now, it’s still the boomers running things. There Gen X didn’t exist. Millennials only exist because they complained after being denied the dream.

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    Young people have always had an abysmal voter turnout. Y’all need to vote, and not just the big ticket presidential elections. The state legislature elections are every bit as important, if not more important.

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      True, but it’s also worth noting that Pew shows the blue lean among voters born after 1990 is way less pronounced than it was 10 years ago. In 2016 they swung 37 points blue, in 2020 26 points, and in 2024 only 13 points.

      Young people need to get engaged, but they also need to break out of these icky propaganda bubbles they’re caught in. Hopefully life in Trump’s America has woken some of them up, but at the same time the left really needs to build something worth switching sides for.